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S&P’s Why Not Us?!: Episode #10

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Did you watch last night's game? Yeah, I was dozing a little bit, but I, I, yeah, I was watching.

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Were you happy? Happy? Yeah.

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It's the Steelers I had to laugh that we actually picked off two balls.

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I'm s- you know, Andrew and I would have a good time with that one since we're still working off of zero, of course.

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Uh-huh.

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But we had to do that in the preseason.

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Did you know that a preseason football game gets about as much money wagered on it as a, as a regular season baseball game? Hmm.

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Obviously, there's way, a lot more baseball games, so take it for what you will.

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That's, I mean, that's why it's king football, right? It's king football.

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And here's the other fun part about it.

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The sharps prefer preseason because they feel like there's more edge to be gained Welcome to S&P's Why Not Us?, the podcast hosted by two guys who've been rooting for the same teams for 50 years, while out in La La Land, the Lakers have been flipped twice in 14 months.

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I'm Scott Greenhut, and on the other side of the mic, my good friend, Peter Olczyk.

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Hello, hello.

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Great to be here.

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Um, and first of all, let me just say happy 10th episode anniversary.

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Yes.

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Cheers to us.

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That is...

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That's great.

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Also, a big thank you, of course.

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You have watched a lot of Jets football over the last couple of months, and probably more Jets football than you ever had.

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So thank you for doing that, as we kind of wrap up that special part of the series today.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's been fun.

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Very nostalgic and very insightful.

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Very insightful stuff.

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All right.

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So let's get to it.

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In today's episode, we'll make our certainly not guaranteed NFL picks for the season's final four and Super Bowl match-up, wrap up our Jets Look Back summer series, featuring a very special guest, and name two more of our most underrated former New York pro athletes.

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But we begin with baseball and the countdown to the final month of the regular season, and I'll just get us going here.

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Uh, the American League, we have a wild third wild card going on here.

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Texas is, uh, actually in the third spot.

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Of course, they're one game under .500.

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So could a team under .500

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actually end up with that spot? We shall see.

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Anyway, a few of the teams that's just interesting to talk about for me.

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Toronto Blue Jays.

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I talked about last time how they were a savvy trade deadline seller and buyer.

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Well, they've been creeping up.

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They're one and a half games back.

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And if Laddie can just be solid for September, uh, you know, it's been a tough year.

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He's now coming off, uh, of some con- of a concussion protocol, but he's back, I think, this weekend.

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That could really be a difference maker.

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The Detroit Tigers.

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They traded their top starting pitchers, Tarik Skubal and Casey Mize.

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Could they have a 2024-esque post seller's late run in them? They're two and a half games back.

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And by the way, they have the biggest run differential in the American League, uh, just behind Boston and the Yankees.

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And all the other wild card contenders, negative run differential for all those teams.

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Finally, Seattle.

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They're also competing for the division.

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Uh, and they're, they're four back there, and they're three back in the wild- Wild card.

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Disappointing season again for Cal Raleigh, who recently spoke to the media, took a lot of the blame, as he would as a leader of that team.

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But they could have a possible stretch drive spark.

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Today's MLB debut of the, of lefty Cade Anderson, who is the top starting pitching prospect in the sport.

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He was the overall number three pick in 2025.

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He's the first to MLB from that draft class.

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He led LSU to the College World Series title.

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Been dominating in double A, so that'll be an int- interesting one to watch.

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So that's kind of my sense of this wild, wild card, and I'm sure in a week or so it'll look kind of different.

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Yeah, I've got one AL team I'm been keeping an eye on.

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What about the Chicago White Sox? Yeah.

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Leading the AL Central, after, what, two years ago they lost 121 games.

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Say it again for the Mets fans, 121 games, At the beginning of the year, FanGraphs gave them a 1% chance of the playoffs on opening day.

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What's going on? They have Murakami signed as a free agent in December, and, putting him in the order with Vargas and Montgomery.

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So their offense has just been stellar.

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Those three have homered in the same game five times this season.

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Oh, wow.

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Yep, trying both the MLB record for the trio They're the fourth youngest roster in baseball.

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They've had nine walk-off wins by the end of July, so they're winning the close ones.

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This is, you know, fairly impressive and inspirational, uh, as well for, for those of us who are suffering through the Metropolitans here.

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I've been rooting hard for the White Sox, uh, all summer.

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I think they're five games over .500

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right now and sitting in first.

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So let's see if they can, uh, kinda keep it going and, and hold off, uh, may- you know, the Cleveland Guardians and also the Tigers, which we just talked about.

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The, the other baseball thing that we talked about maybe a month or so ago, Yordan Alvarez and the Triple Crown.

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First of all, he's a big front-runner, of course, in the MVP race.

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But on the Triple Crown, number one in average right now, .321.

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is the, uh, next competitor.

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Home runs, number one, 36.

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Junior Caminero's got 35.

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Ben Rice has got 34, so that's really tight.

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And on the RBIs, he's number one with 90.

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And who's in second place? Old friend Pete Alonso with 85.

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So that's...

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So all three are tight races.

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But this is really exciting.

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So if you're an Astros fan, to be able to watch him at the plate all year must be such a pleasure, because clearly, this is just a very special season by an extremely gifted ballplayer.

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So with that, let's look a little bit more locally.

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Uh, Yankees, Mets, six weeks left.

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What are you looking at? I mean, look, the Mets have been asked and answered this year.

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We, we know, we know what's, what's gone on.

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I'm, just at this point, like, moving way past the payroll story and the Steve Cohen story and can we do a rebuild maybe? Like, let's just focus on the young guys.

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Nolan McLain, Rookie of the Year candidate.

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Jonah Tang, uh, you know, coming, maybe, maybe the farm system build, build out from there,.

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might be the path to go.

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No, I think, uh, all the good stuff going on with the young guys, you know, especially Carson Banjo, I just wanted to, to touch on.

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The last week or so, his play in right field- He's thrown out some people he threw two, two guys out in consecutive innings.

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But it's just a testament to him because I remember even earlier in the year, the arm was always great.

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Of course, he's an ex-pitcher.

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But just in terms of the fundamentals, getting his feet right and everything, he is now throwing the ball on a line right towards the cutoff.

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True hop.

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And he has actually worked himself right into the thick of the Rookie of the Year race.

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You know, it's probably still J.J.

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Weatherholt and Sal Stewart there in the top two slots, but do not count out Carson Benge on, on both sides of the ball.

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His power's been showing up lately too.

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So I'm excited to kind of watch that as we head into the rest of the year.

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And then on the Yankees front, uh, good news if you're a Yankees fan.

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I think Cody Bellinger is due back tomorrow from the hamstring.

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George Lombard, we've been talking about.

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He has continued to look really smooth at shortstop, strong at bats.

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And of course the big question is Aaron Judge.

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My two cents, if I had to guess, he comes back with about two weeks left in this season to get ABs before the playoffs.

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So I, I- That might be a little optimistic, but that's where I'm at um, okay.

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I mean, I said on this podcast, um, e- the last one or the one before- Yeah that the injury was more serious than the Yankees have been letting on We will continue to judge what happens.

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Nice.

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Uh, yeah, too easy.

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But, uh, you know, he hasn't played since May 31st, and the team's basically 500 since then.

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Ugh.

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So kind of important.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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All right, so let's get into some of the football.

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Uh, so we thought maybe heading into the year we would do some picks, and we're gonna start in the NFL.

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We're gonna pick our conference championship teams for both, uh, both conferences.

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So why don't you kick us off with the NFC, who you got in the championship game? Yep.

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I'm going off chalk.

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I think I just invented that term.

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Not sure it exists, but, uh, I'm going, I'm going against the grain.

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That one does exist.

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And I am taking the Seahawks to, uh, play the Philadelphia Eagles for the NFC championship.

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I am loving everything I'm seeing from the Seahawks on Hard Knocks, They all know they're in front of the camera.

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Right.

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I get it, like I really do, but...

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but, um, you know, they seem just s- like such a tight-knit team.

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McDonald's- pitch is that the attention helps rather than hurts, the knock on them, of course, is that, you know, can their defense hold the way it did last year? In general, defenses tend to regress more than, you know, a top-tier offense.

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That's just what, what the statistics show.

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And I know they've lost, uh, Kenneth Walker to, to KC, who was the Super Bowl MVP.

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But, um, overall, I, I like Seattle and their 12th man and their ethos to, uh, get back to the Super Bowl.

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Yep.

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Um, all right.

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So that's a good one.

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We're gonna have four different teams it looks like, so we better make a note of this- Yep in, in, in a few months.

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Yep.

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Do you want me to defend my Eagle pick, or, or- Oh, yeah Sorry.

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I'll just, I'll be quick on that.

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Talk, talk Eagles.

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Yeah.

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So they're, they're two years removed from a title, back-to-back NFC East crowns.

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Um, good solid defense last year, and, you know, this is my team's division, and I just don't see who would unseat them.

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I mean, it hurts me to say a little bit, but, I don't think the Cowboys are gonna, gonna be what some people think they're gonna be.

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I think the Giants will have an up year, but they're not gonna, you know, be ready to, to win the division just yet.

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So that, that leaves the Eagles in a, in a really good spot.

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And I, you know, and Saquon Barkley, still, still humming along, and I think that'll be the key to their season.

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If they can keep Saquon on the field, I can see them returning to the championship game.

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Yep.

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So, so my NFC, I'm gonna have two different teams, and one you just talked about.

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I think the stars finally align in Dallas this year actually.

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Wow.

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Dak Prescott- Wow I, I loved him wearing the Super Bowl 30 champions t-shirt to open up training camp.

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That was, that was very cool.

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He's putting it right out there.

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I think you're gonna see an improved defense, especially with a full year of defensive tackle Quinnen Williams, who I know well, has been a superstar Jet.

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That's my off the board one, but I have- Sure I have Dallas in that game.

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And then this one is pretty chalky of course.

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I got the Rams.

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You know, they're- Yeah a big favorite to- Yeah win the conference.

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They're loaded.

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Yeah.

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You know, Matthew Stafford.

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Sure.

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Miles Garrett, we've talked a little bit a- about on the pod.

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Yep.

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Big question mark whether Aaron Donald continues to, you know, work his way in and become official part of this team.

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Unlikely I'd say, but not, not necessarily critical that he is the old Aaron Donald.

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Yeah.

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And I, and I just think that this is a team that would fill their needs as necessary at the trade deadline.

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They're really looking at this year as their year- Sure understandably so.

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Stafford, Stafford's not getting any younger, um, no, no, no, yeah So that's my thing.

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So I got Dallas at the Rams, and who do you have as the home game there in your NFC? Did you think about that? Oh, I, I, I have, uh, Seattle- Yeah as the, as the home team.

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Philly at Seattle.

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All right.

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So AFC.

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I'm gonna go Jacksonville at Buffalo.

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Let me talk about the Jags for a sec.

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So 2024 they're 4 and 13, massive turnaround last year to 13 and 4.

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I am definitely buying into Liam Cohen, um, the head coach.

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The culture turnaround across the team, his work with quarterback Trevor Lawrence, both on the footwork side and then just in kind of encouraging him to cut it loose, not worry about mistakes.

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We saw that version of Trevor Lawrence that was talked about kind of way back when, when he came outta college.

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So I think there's something really good in terms of the, the chemistry-wise in, in the Jags and, and all of that.

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And then on the Bills side, which I talked about last time, uh, I r- I truly think this is the Bills year to go deep, you know, especially with the new target for Josh Allen and DJ Moore coming from the Bears.

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The new stadium is certainly part of it.

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Um, they got the canopy roof going on, so they're really trying to be their version of Seattle with, uh, with volume and home field.

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So yeah, that one's pretty chalky, but what you got on your AFC? So I am equally chalky on the Bills.

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I think it's their time.

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They, have been making it pretty far in the playoffs, and then Josh Allen has, come up short.

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But so really, you know, this is gonna be, for me, his defining year.

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Is he gonna be Marino or is he gonna be Elway? I think he's gonna be Elway, and I think he climbs the mountain and, uh, makes it, makes it to the Super Bowl.

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So I have the Bengals where I'm a little less chalky, but I have them, uh, you know, going with a very strong defense that they've spent the off-season rebuilding, giving Joe Burrow, a real, a real shot at, uh, taking his team all the way up to the championship game.

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I had the Bengals, and then yes, at the Bills, and I have the Bills heading to the Super Bowl to play the Seahawks.

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All right.

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You got Bills, Seattle.

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I'm gonna go Bills and Rams.

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Who do you got as the winner? I got the Seahawks.

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Back-to-back.

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I got the Seahawks going back-to-back.

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The champ nobody's picking will beat the quarterback nobody wants to face in January, and I have them going back-to-back.

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Uh, I'm gonna go Rams.

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I don't know.

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I'm gonna believe the whole LA is back at home for the Super Bowl, just like 2022 when they won the last one.

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As we discussed at the top of the episode, we're bringing in a special guest for today, someone that, you watched most of these games with, that we've been talking about for the last several weeks.

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So we're honored to have Andrew join us for the pod.

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Right now we're gonna fast forward ahead to 20- 2009 and 2010 seasons, which when you're talking about the Jets, this is as close as they came- to reaching the top of the mountain.

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We have the Rex Ryan years,, back to back AFC Championship games.

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Let's kick it off with 2009.

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You've got a rookie QB named Sanchez, you've got the number one defense in the league.

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And, nonetheless, you had to sort of back into, the wild card game why don't we start there? Yeah.

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Yeah, so just a little bit more context so 2009, the team is nine and seven, number one defense in points allowed.

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As you said, Rex's first year.

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Uh, they were four and six.

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We got pasted in New England.

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I didn't, didn't go back to watch that game, 31 to 14.

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But heading into late November, we had to win five of our last six, and as you mentioned, lots of backing in talk with the Colts pulling starters- Yeah in the third quarter of the week 15 game.

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So there you go.

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In terms of the roster, yeah, as you said, Mark Sanchez is a rookie.

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Couple of names, running backs, Thomas Jones, rookie Shonn Green, receivers, Jerricho Cotchery, Braylon Edwards, he came over in a mid-season trade.

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And then the line, this team was really built on the line, right? Nick Mangold was an AP first, that year.

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D'Brickashaw Ferguson was a Pro Bowler.

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Damien Woody, such a great career, he's on that team as a tackle.

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And then of course there's a Steeler, so Alan Faneca is actually a Jet here after a post, longtime Pittsburgh career.

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And then the defense, Shaun Ellis at the end, the linebackers very strong, Bart Scott, David Harris, Calvin Pace, and lastly Darrelle Revis, uh, third season, first team all pro.

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So here we go.

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Just quickly, the first game is a wild card, at Cincinnati.

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Pretty solid win, run-heavy game plan with some chunk play action passing.

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The final's 24-14.

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And with that, we're gonna bring in Andrew to get into the guts of the next couple of games of that year, starting with the division,, game at San Diego, January 17th.

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So- Yeah.

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So- You know with that Bengal game? Yeah? Mark Sanchez, fourth QB rookie ever to win his first playoff game.

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Oh, nice.

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A little trivia for you.

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Very nice.

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Love that All right, so Andrew, so just quickly the, uh, few of the guys on San Diego here, Philip Rivers, quarterback, Ladainian Tomlinson, running back, Antonio Gates, et cetera.

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But, uh, what do you got as you look back and watch that division game? All right, first of all, let me say what an honor it is to be on the podcast as one of your first Spotify subscribers, perhaps your first.

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Yes.

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I'm grateful to be here.

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Uh, and, and you know, a walk down memory lane with the Jets is really a special thing.

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This was a time of extreme optimism- which is just, it's, it's such a departure from where we are now that it's, it's hard to even go back there, but I will.

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So that San Diego game, I remember we're facing a 12 and 4 team on the road, really didn't play that great the prior week, and so I wasn't very optimistic, and, you know, there's a nine-point spread.

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V- Vegas isn't very optimistic, and, and the, you know, the first quarter looks like the Chargers are sort of having their way with the Jets.

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There's a big Antonio Gates reception.

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There's a opening touchdown on a blown coverage in, in, in the first quarter.

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The Jets then sort of settle down on defense but, you know, really don't have much going on offense and can't capitalize on their only drive.

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And I guess my takeaway as of halftime is the only way we're in this game is because the football gods have kept us in with two missed field goals.

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Yeah, we were lucky, we were lucky to be down 7-0.

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Mm-hmm.

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It was one of those games.

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We're like, "Okay."

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Mm-hmm.

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"Thank you.

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Let's go."

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Let's go.

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But let, let, let me say one thing before I let you take it away a little more.

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What I'll say here is that that Shaun Greene touchdown in the first Bengal game- Yeah which was the longest touchdown in Jets history to that point in the playoffs, that was the prelude to how this game turned around, right? Like, the, on the one hand, you had a terrible first half.

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On the other hand, you had a kind of a Rex team coming into its own, uh, you know, being able to win 17-14 games and, and, and feeling confident about that and, and, and sort of that, that's, I think, how things turned around.

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So I'll, I'll let you, you have at the second half.

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Yeah, no, 100%, yeah.

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So third quarter, we're down seven, uh, two giant near back-to-back plays.

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We have Darrelle Revis, who is in vintage form in th- in this era, contesting a ball, ending up on his back, lying on the ground, somehow corralling the ball for an interception, and then a few plays later, when the Chargers get the ball again- Jim Leonard has a ball go right to him for a pick.

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So that's actually two picks within the matter of just a minute or so.

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We fast-forward to the fourth quarter, and you might remember this one.

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This was beautiful.

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Mark Sanchez rolls out, buys time, throws a TD to Justin Keller.

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And then that follows up with rookie Sean Green, who you were just talking about, with this power burst right up the middle, almost knocked someone over, 53 yards, uh, to the, to the house.

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And just like that, we're in control of the game Yeah, it's, it's funny.

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Y- y- you highlighted the two things that I actually remember, 'cause these things were- Yeah a long time ago.

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You don't remember the detailed play-by-play, but, but I remember that Keller touchdown, and I remember thinking to myself, "How are we winning this game?" And then I, I definitely remember, uh, i- in retrospect, Shaun Green, he broke the Jets' record two weeks in a row, right? And, and again, this is, this is an extremely optimistic moment, 'cause you're like, oh, the, the, the Rex Ryan vision of running people over and being able to win in the playoffs even on the road, th- that's becoming a reality, a reality.

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And, and, and then, Kading misses again.

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So, so, so you're sort of y- y- you're looking at, at, at kind of a scenario where on the one hand y- you feel lucky to be leading.

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On the other hand, you're doing exactly the things you wanna do with a Ryan team, right? Oh, absolutely.

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after an onside kick, Kerry Rhodes.

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So- Oh, that's right uh, that was a scary up-for-grabs ball, and then Kerry Rhodes absolutely is ball hands team- and just does it textbook.

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That was the one, right, it went kind of past that first line.

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Past everybody.

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It was free.

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And then it was anyone's ball.

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It was a perfect onside kick, And, and, you know, a gutsy call on fourth and one at the Chargers 30 to win I, I, you know, that, that was a classic Ryan moment, right? Riverboat gambler.

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Yeah, by the way, some fun stats the kicker Kading, he had made 20 straight field goals to close the regular season, and he had not missed inside 40 yards in 69 career attempts.

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So CBS had put that on the screen.

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And last thing I noted, the Jets held San Diego to 61 rushing yards that game.

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So hello- There you go hello line.

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Number one D.

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All right.

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Yeah, I mean, it's funny.

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I, I, I look back at the stats and I said, "We l- you know, lose overall yards by close to 100, but still win rushing yards by more than 100?" Like, you know, that, that was to some degree the Ryan formula and is like then we believed we could win games like that.

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All right, we're at Indianapolis, a 14 and 2 Indianapolis.

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The retractable roof is closed, so the noise is up.

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Indianapolis, we have Peyton Manning, who was the MVP, running a no-huddle offense, dynamic wide receiver corps, Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garçon.

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Dallas Clark, the tight end.

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Andrew, I've talked about on the pod our issues with tight end over the years, so it's always scary when I mention a good tight end.

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And by the way, Pat McAfee's the rookie punter.

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I had not remembered that one.

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On our side, the Jets, so here's the thing.

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Going into that game, Shawne Lewis had broken his left hand on the first play the prior week, so he's in a cast.

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Jim Leonard, he had broken his right thumb in-season, so he had been playing with a cast.

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So two key players who aren't able to tackle as well because of that, is just another part of what's going on here.

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And then that leads us into the game.

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Andrew, the first half, what- what do you got on, uh, at Indianapolis? Well, you know, it...

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There was a back-and-forth half, but if I look at my notes, there are a bunch of times where- where I remember thinking, "We can win this game," which was just, again, counterintuitive for a Jet fan.

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First drive, over- over the shoulder catch to Jericho Cotchery for a first down.

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I remember thinking, "We can win the game."

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Defensive struggle through the first quarter, Jets blitz really bothers Peyton Manning, right? Yeah.

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It's like, okay, we, we, we have him off.

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Um, Colts get a drive, touchdown drive keyed by Dallas Clark shaking Dwight Lowery.

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I remember- Oh, Jesus how much I hated Dwight Lowery, so, so that's, that's an important thing to remember.

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But then a great, uh, you know, a, a goal line stand, um, and, and then the Jets get a bomb to Braylon Edwards, and, and, and I'm thinking, "We can win this game," right? We are playing with these guys.

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Peyton Manning doesn't look like vin- vintage Peyton Manning, and you know, I I have a lot of confidence in the first half.

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What are you thinking, Peter? Yeah.

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I mean, the Braylon Edwards touchdown- The Mark Sanchez and him, he's, you know, Braylon Edwards sells it inside, accelerates down the sideline.

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Sanchez with a heavy pump fake, which you saw in the highlights a couple of times, hits him in stride.

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That's a wow.

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We don't see plays like that too often.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, and then fast-forward a little bit, the Brad Smith play.

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Wow.

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A direct snap, fakes an option to a wide open Jerrico Cotchery, a player I think we both loved.

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Uh, 45 yards, the Indy 12.

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By the way, that was Brad Smith's second pass all year, so- Mm that's amazing.

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Uh, and then a little bit later, Mark Sanchez hangs in, takes a hit, throws a dart to tight end Dustin Keller, who shields a defender almost like a basketball player for a touchdown.

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We're up 14-6.

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This is pretty good.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, keep going.

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Uh, there's a, a blitz by Calvin Pace up the middle.

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He meets Joe Addai in the backfield.

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Fumble, recovery Jim Leonard.

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We get a field goal, 48 yards, 17 to 6.

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We're up 11.

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In that Bronco game that we talked about last time at Denver, we were only up 10, so this is new territory.

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And again- How can you not believe that we got a shot to, you know, to hang on here? But then it changes so fast before the end of the half.

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Indianapolis two-minute drill, Peyton Manning drops a dime deep middle to Austin Collie, there's your tight end.

364
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And then maybe the next play, wide open, nice grab touchdown.

365
00:26:45,354.205 --> 00:26:50,394.206
Just like that, 17-13, and you're feeling it a little bit.

366
00:26:50,414.204 --> 00:26:54,34.207
It feels, the game feels a little bit different than it did before that.

367
00:26:54,54.204 --> 00:26:56,44.205
That's kind of where I was at through the half.

368
00:26:56,334.206 --> 00:27:05,244.204
Yeah, my, this is a retrospect one, but the, you know, the bomb to Austin Collie, I, I, I call it such a same old Jets moment.

369
00:27:05,444.204 --> 00:27:05,604.204
Yeah.

370
00:27:05,604.204 --> 00:27:11,384.205
Hall of Fame quarterback hits no-name receiver two times- at the end of the half to crush our dreams.

371
00:27:11,734.205 --> 00:27:14,14.203
Brady did, does it, Manning does it.

372
00:27:14,14.204 --> 00:27:21,884.205
It's just, it's just, you know, I mean, again, I'm sure football fans of every franchise have this feeling, but it just feels more acute as a Jet fan.

373
00:27:22,124.204 --> 00:27:24,894.204
That's the drive that always frigging kills us.

374
00:27:25,144.201 --> 00:27:31,434.203
Either it puts us away or it, you know, it, it puts the other team back in the game, and here it did.

375
00:27:31,434.203 --> 00:27:39,304.2
And again, Manning had no rhythm, and suddenly he did, right? So, so again, I, I'm not thinking we're gonna lose this game.

376
00:27:39,304.205 --> 00:27:46,224.203
I still am, am very hopeful, but, but you, you know the Colts are gonna be heard from, right? Yep.

377
00:27:46,224.203 --> 00:27:48,384.205
So take us into the, uh, second half.

378
00:27:49,284.199 --> 00:27:49,754.199
Okay.

379
00:27:50,194.202 --> 00:27:51,794.199
Um, let's see.

380
00:27:51,834.202 --> 00:27:59,704.198
I mean, I, you know, I, I, I, I saw this, this throw very early, again from Sanchez to Catry.

381
00:27:59,704.205 --> 00:28:00,984.199
I'm feeling good.

382
00:28:01,394.199 --> 00:28:11,454.201
Um, I, I, you know, I, I, I, I see a long throw from Sanchez to Keller for a first down, and, and I'm thinking, "This is so good.

383
00:28:11,734.203 --> 00:28:17,474.197
Win or lose at that moment, these guys are gonna have a productive career together," right? Yeah.

384
00:28:17,474.197 --> 00:28:17,684.2
Yeah.

385
00:28:17,684.2 --> 00:28:18,804.197
Sanchez to Keller.

386
00:28:18,914.204 --> 00:28:24,584.202
What, this is gonna be a, a historic combination in Jets history.

387
00:28:24,964.199 --> 00:28:32,664.2
Um, but you know, a drive ends, so, so you know, it, it, it, we get a little bit of a war of attrition at this point.

388
00:28:32,964.191 --> 00:28:41,54.197
You know, the Colts have momentum, um, but, but you know, we, we, we still feel, it still feels like we're in the game.

389
00:28:41,364.2 --> 00:28:43,364.19
You wanna take it from there? Yeah, sure.

390
00:28:43,404.194 --> 00:28:47,604.195
So the, uh, of course we have a missed field goal, wide right.

391
00:28:47,714.191 --> 00:28:48,84.186
Mm-hmm.

392
00:28:48,84.186 --> 00:28:52,294.192
Bad snap, may have thrown off the timing on a 52-yarder, so that's just a little thing.

393
00:28:53,24.189 --> 00:28:54,504.19
And then we get to Peyton Manning.

394
00:28:54,784.198 --> 00:29:00,614.192
Pretty four-yard touchdown pass to Pierre Garçon, nice sideline toe drag, just classic.

395
00:29:00,954.197 --> 00:29:04,784.194
They flip the game right there, so now Indy's up 20 to 17.

396
00:29:05,624.196 --> 00:29:10,464.196
And a little bit later, we see Rex Ryan, I hope you saw this one, going ballistic on the sideline.

397
00:29:10,474.196 --> 00:29:17,24.196
They- Late hit like, a clear mace- a clear missed late hit on Sanchez That would be probably three in this game, honestly.

398
00:29:17,74.196 --> 00:29:23,564.196
They're probably three, and Sanchez gets no respect, right? In today's NFL, that's, that's...

399
00:29:23,604.196 --> 00:29:27,924.195
it's 15 yards, it's an ejection, and probably a multi-game suspension.

400
00:29:27,934.196 --> 00:29:32,314.196
That hit was so late, it was insane, so that takes us to the fourth.

401
00:29:32,354.197 --> 00:29:46,394.199
Um, we see the Jets go three and out, but then there is David Harris, a great fumble strip on Reggie Wayne, but the football gods decided that that football was gonna bounce right back to Reggie Wayne.

402
00:29:46,404.199 --> 00:29:48,814.198
That felt like a dagger when I re-watched that one.

403
00:29:49,314.198 --> 00:29:49,904.196
Mm-hmm.

404
00:29:50,114.198 --> 00:30:01,784.197
And then, uh, shortly thereafter, Peyton Manning, a play-action fake, uh, linebackers bite, easy toss to Dallas Clark, of course, uh, walks in for a touchdown all alone.

405
00:30:02,154.199 --> 00:30:03,314.196
We're down 10.

406
00:30:03,574.197 --> 00:30:05,784.193
That's 21 un- unanswered points.

407
00:30:06,244.195 --> 00:30:07,204.196
Quick three and out.

408
00:30:07,234.193 --> 00:30:19,164.187
At this point it's almost like the Denver game, where okay, you started to see the better team take advantage, take control, and then end you with a clinical, time-consuming drive, a, a late field goal just to put a stamp on it.

409
00:30:19,614.186 --> 00:30:22,314.191
Ballgame, 30 to 17.

410
00:30:22,314.191 --> 00:30:43,534.189
Yeah, I mean, it's tough, right? Because on the one hand, you know, you feel like you were outclassed by a, a one-loss team, right? On the other hand, y- y- you were within one score in the fourth quarter, and you got torched by not, not Dallas Clark and W- Reggie Wayne, but Pierre Garçon and Austin Collie.

411
00:30:43,554.188 --> 00:30:48,44.188
Like, come on, you know? You- that, that just do- doesn't feel right.

412
00:30:48,344.184 --> 00:31:08,434.186
But, but I will say, I mean, again, this, this game, as, as depressing as it was, and I remember thinking we, we could have made the Super Bowl, J- just as I'm previewing for next year, you're like, "Okay, Mark Sanchez is a budding star, right? He, he is a guy who can make plays in big games."

413
00:31:08,814.185 --> 00:31:10,634.186
Um, and, and he did.

414
00:31:10,644.186 --> 00:31:18,364.186
He, I mean, he really- Yeah acquitted himself well in that game, and, and, and, you know, that and the defense and, and you, you think you got something going.

415
00:31:19,84.185 --> 00:31:19,664.185
Definitely.

416
00:31:19,664.185 --> 00:31:22,864.186
I'll say two little takeaways before we flip it to the next season.

417
00:31:23,294.186 --> 00:31:25,884.186
Of course, we never had a chance in this game, when you think about it.

418
00:31:25,994.185 --> 00:31:33,14.186
It was the 11-year anniversary of the AFC Championship game on the road before the Super Bowl in Miami.

419
00:31:33,164.185 --> 00:31:34,984.185
So, you know, we had, we had no shot.

420
00:31:35,364.186 --> 00:31:46,474.184
Um, but more seriously, you know, for me, the headline of this game, it was vintage Peyton Manning, communication, dissecting defense, overall calmness, lethal accuracy.

421
00:31:46,844.185 --> 00:31:50,184.184
It was the whole thing that we saw, you know, mostly in the second half..

422
00:31:50,244.184 --> 00:31:52,134.182
Uh- And Peter, let, let me say one thing, though.

423
00:31:52,194.184 --> 00:31:52,764.181
Go ahead.

424
00:31:52,974.183 --> 00:31:53,524.181
Come on.

425
00:31:53,824.182 --> 00:31:56,644.183
I, I, it was classic Manning, but the fix was in.

426
00:31:56,654.18 --> 00:32:01,34.185
Like Scott said, you know- a, a, a, a, a penalty that should've been called.

427
00:32:01,134.188 --> 00:32:07,4.19
You know how many penalties the, the Colts had in that game? One penalty for five- Oh yards.

428
00:32:07,4.19 --> 00:32:07,534.19
Oh.

429
00:32:07,914.186 --> 00:32:08,844.193
Come on, NFL.

430
00:32:08,844.193 --> 00:32:08,934.187
Brutal.

431
00:32:08,934.191 --> 00:32:10,624.19
You're putting your fingers on the scale.

432
00:32:10,624.19 --> 00:32:10,844.186
Yeah.

433
00:32:12,124.186 --> 00:32:17,824.196
And Peyton, though, I will say, like- the reason, he wasn't able to throw to his top guys is Revis.

434
00:32:17,954.194 --> 00:32:18,404.198
Oh, yeah.

435
00:32:18,414.2 --> 00:32:22,184.2
So he, that was all, like, him being- Yeah pretty clever.

436
00:32:22,234.2 --> 00:32:26,374.195
And we're gonna see a little bit more Darrelle, I think, in this, in this next, uh, section here.

437
00:32:26,464.196 --> 00:32:26,994.196
Yeah.

438
00:32:27,24.193 --> 00:32:28,724.197
But so next year, let's go.

439
00:32:28,934.197 --> 00:32:29,564.197
Let's do it.

440
00:32:29,594.193 --> 00:32:30,254.194
Let's do it.

441
00:32:30,274.193 --> 00:32:33,724.192
Nine and two- Could be nine and two start with this team, so pretty different.

442
00:32:33,724.192 --> 00:32:35,344.193
They go 11 and five.

443
00:32:35,454.192 --> 00:32:36,524.193
We're in the wild card.

444
00:32:36,554.19 --> 00:32:39,354.19
Hey, look who we playing in the wild card, we're at Indianapolis.

445
00:32:39,444.194 --> 00:32:43,544.191
Quick thing on that game, it was a wild fourth quarter for any Jet fans that wanna watch it.

446
00:32:43,544.192 --> 00:32:48,564.193
The Jets pull it out in the last minute, walk-off field goal, 32 yards by Nick Folk.

447
00:32:49,90.196 --> 00:32:53,560.196
And that takes us into the division game, January 16, 2011.

448
00:32:53,570.196 --> 00:32:54,650.196
We're in New England.

449
00:32:55,250.196 --> 00:32:57,670.196
All right, Andrew, I'll let you tee it off.

450
00:32:57,710.195 --> 00:33:05,260.195
What do you, what'd you enjoy or how did you remember watching that Patriot game? You know, I, I'm not gonna soft pedal this.

451
00:33:05,550.196 --> 00:33:07,840.195
This was my happiest day as a Jet fan.

452
00:33:08,340.195 --> 00:33:18,530.193
Yeah I, I, you know, I remember the, uh, Braylon Edwards, uh, doing a flip on the sideline after- Yeah the game, and I felt like I could do a flip.

453
00:33:19,250.193 --> 00:33:22,450.193
It would've been dangerous if I'd tried, but, but I felt like that.

454
00:33:22,860.194 --> 00:33:30,380.193
I mean, you know, David Harris clobbering Tom Brady, I, I wish I'd had that on my phone.

455
00:33:30,410.193 --> 00:33:35,100.194
I mean, I look back at that game and he was seeing ghosts, right? Mm.

456
00:33:35,220.195 --> 00:33:45,270.191
And so, so again, it, it, it was a tough, hard-fought game, but, my memory very vividly is the Jets really took it to them.

457
00:33:45,530.19 --> 00:33:46,110.19
Yes.

458
00:33:46,110.19 --> 00:33:47,560.193
Uh- Uh, here's a stat.

459
00:33:47,560.193 --> 00:33:55,890.195
Football outsiders later rated that Patriot team as the most efficient offense in franchise history, better than 2007.

460
00:33:56,400.193 --> 00:34:01,130.189
How about that? Yeah, so along the same lines, listen, this is my favorite playoff win.

461
00:34:01,150.193 --> 00:34:03,270.194
It's the most satisfying win for me.

462
00:34:03,280.19 --> 00:34:03,290.19
Mm.

463
00:34:03,300.187 --> 00:34:05,40.192
And boy, did I love rewatching it.

464
00:34:05,80.193 --> 00:34:10,320.192
Uh, just on the Pats side of things, Brady, Wes Welker, a rookie Rob Gronkowski.

465
00:34:10,330.193 --> 00:34:11,367.68975
Let's just put that out there.

466
00:34:11,367.68975 --> 00:34:11,767.68975
Yep.

467
00:34:11,857.69575 --> 00:34:13,587.68975
Uh, Braylon Edwards.

468
00:34:13,667.68975 --> 00:34:18,377.68475
Braylon Edwards catches one off of his helmet, so that's before, uh, the Giants do that kind of thing.

469
00:34:18,437.68675 --> 00:34:21,77.69075
Um, and then gets a touchdown later in the half.

470
00:34:21,377.68875 --> 00:34:22,807.68775
We're up 14-3.

471
00:34:23,607.68475 --> 00:34:24,267.68475
Nice.

472
00:34:24,467.68475 --> 00:34:36,397.68375
Uh, second half, Jericho Cotchery, who we've been talking about, what a couple of years he's having right here, a 58-yard catch and run, beautiful, and then Sanchez to Santonio Holmes.

473
00:34:36,557.68875 --> 00:34:37,937.69075
Wow, perfect throw.

474
00:34:37,967.68475 --> 00:34:40,657.68975
Sliding touchdown grab, knees down.

475
00:34:41,17.68775 --> 00:34:43,227.68975
Could not have been more perfect.

476
00:34:44,37.68475 --> 00:34:45,957.68975
For me, this was also the Shawn Ellis game.

477
00:34:46,307.68075 --> 00:34:46,537.68075
Yeah.

478
00:34:46,567.69075 --> 00:34:48,857.68175
Shawn Ellis was everywhere in this game.

479
00:34:48,967.68075 --> 00:34:53,957.68475
Shawn Green,, then puts the exclamation on the point, kind of walks in for an easy touchdown.

480
00:34:54,347.68575 --> 00:35:03,937.68675
So we got this game, and of course, before we get to the championship, you gotta go to the post-game interview, ESPN, Sal Palantonio with Bart Scott.

481
00:35:05,47.68275 --> 00:35:12,317.68975
Bart Scott's all fired up because we weren't getting any respect going into this game, and at the end Sal goes, "See you in Pittsburgh."

482
00:35:12,687.68275 --> 00:35:15,127.67975
And Bart, of course, can't wait.

483
00:35:15,913.68775 --> 00:35:20,213.68775
So that actually takes us to the championship game in Pittsburgh.

484
00:35:20,583.68775 --> 00:35:55,333.68775
That game in Pittsburgh, and, and, and there were, you know, there was a, a, a prior game earlier in the year, Peter, that, that, that, you know, you may, may elucidate a little bit, but- Yeah but I mean, this game was the classic tale of two halves, right? Um, y- you're on the road, and, and, you know, I just, I honestly, when I'm watching it, I remember not knowing what the hell was happening, right? The Jets, who were so productive in the prior week, just got completely shut down.

485
00:35:55,333.68775 --> 00:35:59,693.68775
I, I don't think they had a first down till halfway through the second quarter.

486
00:35:59,833.68675 --> 00:36:00,353.68675
Yeah.

487
00:36:00,473.68675 --> 00:36:03,743.68875
They just, they just looked completely befuddled.

488
00:36:04,73.68875 --> 00:36:12,361.68875
And, and again, this team that had sort of made its bones running- Like, you know, everything was hit at or b- behind the line of scrimmage.

489
00:36:12,371.68875 --> 00:36:14,241.68875
So it was, it was dreadful.

490
00:36:14,341.68875 --> 00:36:17,531.68775
Yeah, so just a little bit of color for, uh, for this match up here.

491
00:36:17,531.68775 --> 00:36:20,751.68775
Well, first of all, you know, for us as Jets fans, this is a rematch.

492
00:36:20,781.68875 --> 00:36:24,911.68775
This is six years later after the Pittsburgh game that we had talked about on the pod.

493
00:36:25,611.68875 --> 00:36:31,41.68675
Big Ben's a rookie, so his four- and for Pittsburgh, this is their fourth championship game in seven years.

494
00:36:31,531.68875 --> 00:36:37,271.68675
Big Ben has laryngitis apparently through Friday of that week, so you just wonder whether that's gonna be an impact.

495
00:36:37,271.68675 --> 00:36:43,411.68575
Yeah, and you just walked through Manning and Brady, and then you got- Bring it Big Ben as a rookie.

496
00:36:43,411.68675 --> 00:36:44,831.68875
You gotta be feeling good.

497
00:36:44,901.68775 --> 00:37:02,31.69075
Um- Come on Mark Sanchez, who Andrew's been talking about, so he comes into that game actually with a sore shoulder, because he was hit in the earlier Pittsburgh game, which was on December 19, which the Jets actually won, uh, by the way, by five points, by James Farrior, of course, an ex-Jet.

498
00:37:02,41.68375 --> 00:37:05,581.68775
So Sh- Sanchez is maybe not 100% coming into this game.

499
00:37:06,21.68675 --> 00:37:09,511.68775
And then the first half was just so tough to watch.

500
00:37:09,531.68875 --> 00:37:12,231.68675
Everything kind of went wrong that could've gone wrong.

501
00:37:12,471.68675 --> 00:37:14,91.68575
It becomes 24 to three.

502
00:37:14,121.68775 --> 00:37:16,151.69075
We have 50 yards in the first half.

503
00:37:16,471.68575 --> 00:37:25,351.69175
Uh, all the way until the end, we actually work a little bit of a two-minute drill, hit a few plays, kick a field goal, so we get three points.

504
00:37:25,941.68775 --> 00:37:28,121.68875
And I just have to share a quick story about this game.

505
00:37:28,701.68275 --> 00:37:35,881.68275
So I'm in the living room watching this game with my eight-year-old daughter, uh, who is in her Wayne Chrebet jersey with me.

506
00:37:36,91.68275 --> 00:37:37,641.68575
This is not going well.

507
00:37:37,701.68775 --> 00:37:44,451.68775
I think she sort of feels, you know, my aggravation with the game, so it's a little tricky kind of watching it, but it keeps me in control as well.

508
00:37:44,821.68275 --> 00:37:50,851.68375
Anyway, fast-forward to halftime, my daughter zips out of the living room, goes to her room, shuts the door.

509
00:37:51,201.68775 --> 00:37:52,591.68875
I knock, I go in.

510
00:37:52,971.68375 --> 00:37:55,41.68475
We end up talking for the next 10 or 15 minutes.

511
00:37:55,51.68575 --> 00:38:04,401.68875
She's pretty disconsolate about the whole thing, so I'm really just trying to cheer her up during halftime, which was great, 'cause I didn't actually have to watch, I mean, the commentary of the announcers.

512
00:38:04,441.68575 --> 00:38:04,741.68575
Yeah.

513
00:38:04,871.67775 --> 00:38:08,521.69175
And then I, I said, "Hey, you know what? We couldn't have played really much worse.

514
00:38:09,121.67775 --> 00:38:10,401.68675
It's gotta be a little bit better.

515
00:38:10,451.67975 --> 00:38:12,281.68275
Let's see if we can at least give ourselves a chance."

516
00:38:12,451.67975 --> 00:38:29,993.68075
And that kind of, made us both feel a little bit better, I think, and on to the second half, which was a very different game S- so Andrew, the second half, what, what do you remember when you re-watched some of that stuff? Yeah, I mean, Shawn Green comes out and runs a guy over the f- on the first play, and then he gets hurt.

517
00:38:30,193.67975 --> 00:38:33,733.68075
So, okay, I, you know, good- take the good with the bad.

518
00:38:34,23.67975 --> 00:38:39,253.68075
Santonio Holmes gets a deep reception, touchdown, we are in business, right? Yep.

519
00:38:39,373.68075 --> 00:38:39,833.68075
Oh, yeah.

520
00:38:40,83.67975 --> 00:38:47,993.68075
Um, so then we get a three and out, and then a roughing the kicker, and my, my, my notes say, "Damn."

521
00:38:49,193.67975 --> 00:38:54,523.67875
So it, you know, it doesn't feel like we're surging, but, but you know, you're, you're still in the game.

522
00:38:55,3.68075 --> 00:38:58,703.68075
Steelers are driving halfway through the third quarter.

523
00:38:58,873.67975 --> 00:39:02,493.67975
Y- and you get a, a sweet interception by Rodney Poole.

524
00:39:02,693.67875 --> 00:39:08,943.68075
I do not remember Rodney Poole being a member of the Jets, but, but, but I was very grateful to him.

525
00:39:09,63.67775 --> 00:39:14,523.68075
And then you get a fourth and one in Steeler territory with 11:30 to go.

526
00:39:14,773.68075 --> 00:39:29,493.68075
Shawn Green is back to life, but, but, but y- you, you, you get a near interception at the goal line, Steelers making a stand, and then LT is stuffed at 7:44, and again, you're like, "This game is over."

527
00:39:30,3.67975 --> 00:39:38,943.67975
Then the Jets defense comes on, gets a safety the next play, and candidly, Roethlisberger did a good job of keeping it from being an, a defensive touchdown.

528
00:39:38,983.67475 --> 00:39:46,653.67475
Oh my God, re-watching that play, and how- You know, it's 24-12, and what, what, what, what do we got? What, you know, this is, this is a game now.

529
00:39:46,783.67775 --> 00:39:47,643.67675
This is a game.

530
00:39:48,93.67575 --> 00:39:59,743.68375
So- Yeah, rewa- re-watching that play, So close to actually a score, but the football gods still, it felt like, "Hey, we can steal this one," and it just kept feeling that way in the second half.

531
00:39:59,783.68075 --> 00:40:01,33.68675
We can steal this one.

532
00:40:01,173.68075 --> 00:40:01,433.68075
Yeah.

533
00:40:01,463.68175 --> 00:40:04,683.68575
You know, uh, fast-forward to six and a half minutes left.

534
00:40:04,743.68075 --> 00:40:08,163.68575
We got another fourth and one on the Pittsburgh 18.

535
00:40:08,383.67975 --> 00:40:11,853.68575
Bralon Edwards with a nice little catch to, uh, move the chains.

536
00:40:12,143.68975 --> 00:40:15,503.68875
We get to a second and goal, and then this play was beautiful.

537
00:40:15,653.68375 --> 00:40:21,973.68075
It's a pick play, Cotchery touchdown, Santonio Holmes starts from the inside, goes outside.

538
00:40:22,183.68275 --> 00:40:27,153.68475
Cotchery, ends up in the left flat, great score, 24-19.

539
00:40:27,173.68775 --> 00:40:28,273.68575
We're down five.

540
00:40:28,333.67575 --> 00:40:29,403.67775
We got our shot.

541
00:40:30,493.67975 --> 00:40:31,833.68275
Pittsburgh gets the ball back.

542
00:40:31,833.68275 --> 00:40:33,423.68775
We're under three minutes now.

543
00:40:33,533.67475 --> 00:40:35,623.66475
We almost had Antonio Brown.

544
00:40:35,623.67075 --> 00:40:41,513.66975
I don't know if you saw that one, bottled up, but we just missed him, so they kind of keep going with the possession.

545
00:40:41,523.66475 --> 00:40:41,833.66775
Mm-hmm.

546
00:40:41,843.67275 --> 00:40:45,913.66275
Uh, it goes all the way down to 2:38, last time out.

547
00:40:46,763.67075 --> 00:40:48,703.66275
They go five receivers.

548
00:40:49,173.67375 --> 00:41:03,35.67175
Big Ben escapes the pocket, finds Antonio Brown- Ends up being ball game, victory formation, and I was just watching the last couple of minutes thinking, "Man, I wanted one more possession."

549
00:41:03,95.67175 --> 00:41:04,625.67175
That's all I asked for.

550
00:41:04,635.67175 --> 00:41:04,655.67175
Yeah.

551
00:41:04,815.67175 --> 00:41:06,65.67175
I just wanted a chance.

552
00:41:06,75.67075 --> 00:41:08,65.67175
It seemed like we really could steal it.

553
00:41:08,365.67075 --> 00:41:16,953.1705
It didn't quite happen, and I actually felt pretty good coming out of that game considering how hard it was to watch the first half of it.

554
00:41:16,953.1705 --> 00:41:29,265.66875
E- yeah, I mean, the thing I'll say is I, I, you know, in, in retrospect I remember watching that last rollout play to Antonio Brown for our first down so that they could run out the clock.

555
00:41:29,265.66975 --> 00:41:31,555.66875
It was like a backyard football play.

556
00:41:31,955.66875 --> 00:41:40,25.67275
Roethlisberger was throwing the ball down, and it, it just, a- again, a, a, a crushing thing to watch, uh, even now.

557
00:41:40,365.67075 --> 00:41:41,975.67175
Uh, but, but I agree with you, Peter.

558
00:41:41,975.67175 --> 00:41:46,25.67175
The takeaway from this game was the Jets showed a ton of character.

559
00:41:46,455.67075 --> 00:41:50,105.66975
After a dreadful first half, they outgained the Steelers in total.

560
00:41:50,445.67275 --> 00:41:55,5.67275
Sanchez totally outclassed Ben Roethlisberger, totally.

561
00:41:55,15.66775 --> 00:42:09,615.66775
Um- Yeah, so that's, yeah, so y- at this point, y- these, these two seasons we just went over, Mark Sanchez in the playoffs, four and two, nine TDs, beats Brady, Manning, Rivers, and Palmer on the road before turning 25.

562
00:42:10,575.66775 --> 00:42:17,75.66575
Are you, are, are you thinking like it's just a matter of time? Or are we, you know, it, it, it ended up a little differently.

563
00:42:17,175.66675 --> 00:42:26,735.66475
You know, as I, for me, I can only say that I always just live in the moment, you know? So we had this game, we had our shot.

564
00:42:26,765.66275 --> 00:42:27,695.66875
That was great.

565
00:42:28,105.66675 --> 00:42:43,885.66575
Who's to say what the next three to five years might look like, you know, in terms of having a, you know, star quarterback or not? It was just, we got to experience two years in a row of being one game away.

566
00:42:44,815.66575 --> 00:42:49,355.66575
That's, that's where I'm at with this before we kind of, you know, zoom out a little bit.

567
00:42:49,765.66275 --> 00:43:03,295.66775
What about you? Yeah, I mean, I, I, I'll say a couple things, The, the, the, the Jets had a long stretch of not being bad, right? There were, there were f- there were victories in the Parcells era, there were victories in the Herm Edwards era.

568
00:43:03,545.66775 --> 00:43:08,95.66775
They did not seem like the most woe-begotten franchise in sports.

569
00:43:08,345.66675 --> 00:43:19,845.66675
So you, you can't anticipate an odds defying stretch of futility like they have now, just like you couldn't for the Knicks, right? I mean, again, odds defying.

570
00:43:20,35.66775 --> 00:43:23,665.66775
You flip a coin, they should be making the playoffs, they never did.

571
00:43:23,935.66675 --> 00:43:38,945.66675
And so, so it's, you know, a- again, I g- can't beat myself up, but in retrospect I remember, you know, listening to some talking head interview on ESPN afterwards and, you know, they named the five best franchises and somebody said, "You didn't include the Jets."

572
00:43:38,945.66675 --> 00:43:40,875.66775
And they said, "Oh yeah, we have to include the Jets.

573
00:43:40,885.66775 --> 00:43:43,405.66575
Who do we kick out?" Five best franchises.

574
00:43:43,945.66575 --> 00:43:49,15.66475
What's happened since? Well, you know, but being a fan is being a fan.

575
00:43:49,55.66575 --> 00:43:51,185.66575
I told Peter I felt a little disengaged.

576
00:43:51,575.66675 --> 00:43:55,545.66575
I looked at the pre-season stats from last night's game, I'm all in.

577
00:43:55,775.66775 --> 00:43:56,525.66875
Oh, I love it.

578
00:43:56,525.66875 --> 00:43:56,835.66875
Bring it on.

579
00:43:56,835.66875 --> 00:43:57,370.6685
I love it.

580
00:43:57,370.6685 --> 00:43:58,620.6668333
Or the Salad Bowl.

581
00:43:59,230.6648333 --> 00:44:00,410.6648333
I'm looking forward to that.

582
00:44:00,770.6658333 --> 00:44:06,240.6678333
You know- I'm so glad to have brought you back in am I the first sportscaster to say that, the Salad Bowl? Yeah, I think so.

583
00:44:06,330.6708333 --> 00:44:06,688.6692333
I think you might be.

584
00:44:06,688.6692333 --> 00:44:07,240.6688333
All right.

585
00:44:07,510.6718333 --> 00:44:07,890.6678333
All right.

586
00:44:07,890.6688333 --> 00:44:14,510.6688333
So just before we, we put a bow on everything, uh, I did my most underrated Jet last time from when we were growing up.

587
00:44:15,80.6708333 --> 00:44:16,320.6698333
You gave it some thought.

588
00:44:16,570.6688333 --> 00:44:18,200.6688333
Who's your guy? Yeah.

589
00:44:18,200.6688333 --> 00:44:34,570.6688333
So Peter, you know, after watching those games, uh, I, I was thinking to myself probably someone like David Harris, but like y- you know, you, you had said somebody from our, our childhood, um, you know, from when we were kids watching the Jets.

590
00:44:34,570.6688333 --> 00:44:39,870.6708333
And, and, and, you know, uh, Darryl Ray, I, I, I knew was gonna be, be yours.

591
00:44:40,420.6678333 --> 00:44:44,570.6658333
But, but, but here- here's one that I'll take you back from memory lane.

592
00:44:45,30.6678333 --> 00:44:47,230.6678333
Uh, tight end Mickey Shuler.

593
00:44:47,230.6678333 --> 00:44:47,420.6678333
Oh.

594
00:44:47,420.6678333 --> 00:44:59,420.6628333
I, I looked back at his career, 1978 to 1983, he did very little as a pass catcher his first six seasons, so pedestrian that you'd think he was a cut candidate.

595
00:44:59,780.6678333 --> 00:45:07,470.6658333
Starting in 1984 through 1988, he caught 70 or more balls in four of the next five years.

596
00:45:07,850.6598333 --> 00:45:12,480.6688333
He made two Pro Bowls, and he was one second team All-Pro.

597
00:45:13,20.6738333 --> 00:45:23,200.6718333
Um, and he's a great player at the peak of our first generation of serious Jet fandom, remembered by us and probably nobody else.

598
00:45:23,440.6718333 --> 00:45:26,20.6658333
And by us- I mean Jet fans, right? Yeah.

599
00:45:26,20.6738333 --> 00:45:34,900.6688333
He's a guy who, when he was on your team, you remember him fondly, and he was a great player, and other football fans probably don't even remember who he was.

600
00:45:35,360.6698333 --> 00:45:36,230.6648333
So that's my guy.

601
00:45:37,278.6698333 --> 00:45:43,325.3368333
Can I make a case for Ken Troy or Jerry Holmes? But, but Mickey Shuler just stood out, so.

602
00:45:43,325.3368333 --> 00:46:02,175.3348333
I, I mean, such a star player, and now as we kinda look forward to 2026 and maybe we're actually going to be tight end heavy with a bunch of talent, which would be great, so it's a great way to kind of just, uh, look at it all.

603
00:46:02,505.3358333 --> 00:46:05,155.3338333
Listen, I'm excited for this season.

604
00:46:05,205.3358333 --> 00:46:10,525.3338333
I, I said when we would, when we did the draft that I needed to start seeing some wins.

605
00:46:10,575.3348333 --> 00:46:13,165.3348333
I nar- I needed to start seeing a winning mindset.

606
00:46:13,775.3358333 --> 00:46:15,695.3338333
I wanna see competency, you know? Mm-hmm.

607
00:46:15,695.3338333 --> 00:46:22,695.3368333
We'll figure out next year with all of our picks in the first round, but for this year, I wanna see seven wins or so.

608
00:46:22,795.3338333 --> 00:46:23,785.3328333
That's where I'm at.

609
00:46:24,195.3358333 --> 00:46:25,865.3368333
And, uh- Well, that's 1.5

610
00:46:25,865.3368333 --> 00:46:27,375.3338333
over the over under, Peter said.

611
00:46:27,375.3358333 --> 00:46:28,815.3318333
Yeah, I, I know.

612
00:46:28,815.3318333 --> 00:46:28,972.4746905
We'll see how it goes.

613
00:46:29,22.4746905 --> 00:46:40,262.4726905
Yeah, now, now I'm gonna have to, have to do a little bit of thinking about how many teams who had completely unsettled quarterback situations or place holders won seven games.

614
00:46:40,632.4686905 --> 00:46:46,352.4706905
You know, it happens, right? Well, it m- maybe, maybe Gino will be the next Fitzmagic.

615
00:46:46,702.4676905 --> 00:47:01,232.4666905
Who knows? So, but again, I, I agree with you on competency, it's just, it's, it's, a- after this stretch of quarterback futility, it's hard to see righting the ship without getting that position right.

616
00:47:01,452.4676905 --> 00:47:15,692.4736905
And again, I, I mean, I, I'm very hopeful that one of our favorite players, Aaron Glenn, will come through, but, like, after last year, I, I, I think he was not a guy who you, you're, you're going into the year thinking, "Yes, yes, yes, he's our coach."

617
00:47:15,722.4716905 --> 00:47:22,452.4656905
But I guess that's what Lion fans thought about Dan Campbell's first year, too, right? So, so, so never lose hope.

618
00:47:22,662.4746905 --> 00:47:25,722.4646905
Yeah, and him calling players on defense, let's see what that means.

619
00:47:25,722.4716905 --> 00:47:44,302.4716905
Yeah, and, and I mean, again, I, I will say it looks like they've upgraded the personnel significantly on defense to fit his mold, right? So, uh, couple of real run stoppers, I mean, you know, they traded Saleh's players back to Saleh and they got Aaron Glenn players.

620
00:47:44,312.4796905 --> 00:47:44,332.4796905
Yeah.

621
00:47:44,682.4746905 --> 00:47:47,392.4706905
Um, so we'll, we'll see how that goes.

622
00:47:47,442.4706905 --> 00:47:48,852.4706905
All right, so we'll leave it there.

623
00:47:48,892.4706905 --> 00:47:49,882.4706905
This was a treat.

624
00:47:49,972.4706905 --> 00:48:01,112.4686905
You guys are, the definition of, of loyal fans, you know, going do- going blow by blow like this the, the empathy is, is just pouring out of my body.

625
00:48:01,112.4686905 --> 00:48:06,242.4706905
But, but we have referenced the Knicks a few times and, uh, dare to dream, guys.

626
00:48:06,242.4706905 --> 00:48:06,982.4676905
Dare to dream.

627
00:48:06,992.4696905 --> 00:48:07,12.4696905
Yeah.

628
00:48:07,42.4696905 --> 00:48:09,432.4676905
Because that team looked hopeless as well.

629
00:48:09,482.4686905 --> 00:48:11,492.4686905
And, you know, we're hanging a banner there.

630
00:48:11,932.4696905 --> 00:48:16,892.4706905
So, uh, one team at a time, but for me- Well, let me- this, this was great let me say two things before we cut off.

631
00:48:16,902.4706905 --> 00:48:16,922.4706905
Yeah.

632
00:48:16,932.4696905 --> 00:48:23,152.4686905
One, it has been a real honor to be on your 10th anniversary podcast, so thank you again, guys.

633
00:48:23,342.4696905 --> 00:48:23,842.4686905
Ah, thank you.

634
00:48:23,842.4686905 --> 00:48:31,272.4666905
And also, I, I'm thinking, Scott, like y- I, I'm very interested in what your deep dive nostalgia segment is gonna be.

635
00:48:31,372.4666905 --> 00:48:37,732.4666905
So, um, I, I know you guys are probably already thinking about that 'cause, 'cause the Jets have gotten a lot of air time, so.

636
00:48:37,892.4676905 --> 00:48:38,602.4706905
Yeah, yeah.

637
00:48:38,602.4706905 --> 00:48:46,252.4726905
I have plenty of candidates, so we'll, we'll, we'll take it into the, into the meeting room and, we'll, we'll be coming out with something good.

638
00:48:46,932.4756905 --> 00:48:47,592.4716905
Looking forward to that.

639
00:48:49,92.4716905 --> 00:48:49,262.4726905
Thank you, guys.

640
00:48:49,262.4726905 --> 00:48:49,462.4726905
All right.

641
00:48:49,462.4726905 --> 00:48:50,72.4726905
Thanks, Andrew.

642
00:48:50,122.4726905 --> 00:48:50,192.4726905
Thank you, bye.

643
00:48:50,192.4726905 --> 00:48:50,392.4726905
Bye, guys.

644
00:48:50,412.4716905 --> 00:48:50,552.4736905
See you.

645
00:48:50,602.4736905 --> 00:48:54,272.4786905
All right, so let's get into a little bit of the, of the lightning for this week.

646
00:48:54,512.4766905 --> 00:48:58,392.4726905
So for this week, we're gonna do a bit of a bookend, um, on underrated players.

647
00:48:58,422.4736905 --> 00:49:05,52.4746905
We thought we would do NBA and hockey for our most underrated players through the college years.

648
00:49:05,82.4766905 --> 00:49:05,372.4766905
Yep.

649
00:49:05,802.4776905 --> 00:49:09,282.4736905
Why don't you kick it off, I think, with, with hockey? Yeah.

650
00:49:09,282.4736905 --> 00:49:15,792.4726905
I'm gonna kick it off with hockey, and for once, this one was super simple.

651
00:49:16,182.4786905 --> 00:49:19,322.4736905
I have Ron Greschner of the New York Rangers.

652
00:49:19,432.4816905 --> 00:49:30,802.4956905
16 seasons all in New York, 100 Ranger greats ranked him 12th all time out of 901 players who, uh, who have worn the jersey.

653
00:49:31,122.4906905 --> 00:49:45,102.4906905
In the '79 Cup run, he, uh, in the playoffs 18 games, seven goals, five assists, including three game winners, the most in the entire playoffs, coming from a defenseman who wasn't necessarily even known for his offense.

654
00:49:45,552.4836905 --> 00:49:50,382.4836905
Famously married to supermodel Carol Alt- Yes who would sit in the blue seats.

655
00:49:50,382.4836905 --> 00:50:01,642.4826905
And for those who aren't old enough, those, those were the ones all the way up top, and she would sit and high-five all the fans, um, I'd close on this with Ron Greschner.

656
00:50:01,652.4826905 --> 00:50:25,532.4846905
He's still on the alumni circuit at, uh, age 71, and, you know, he, he's recently been filmed with Dave Maloney talking about, what a special thing it was to be part of the Ranger franchise for so long, and his one wish was that they could have closed the deal in '79- Mm when they made the Cup and, and lost to, uh, the Canadians.

657
00:50:25,542.4856905 --> 00:50:33,792.4836905
So 50 years, you know, still an ambassador for the franchise, and, and his only regret is that, that he couldn't take them to the title.

658
00:50:33,842.4856905 --> 00:50:35,72.4846905
But, uh, Ron Greschner.

659
00:50:35,92.4816905 --> 00:50:35,932.4846905
Oh, I love that.

660
00:50:35,992.4826905 --> 00:50:41,202.4886905
Um, you know, even as an Islander fan, I loved watching him play hockey.

661
00:50:41,352.4836905 --> 00:50:42,772.4876905
You know, there were certain players like that.

662
00:50:42,772.4876905 --> 00:50:45,52.4866905
I think we talked about Willie Randolph- Right recently.

663
00:50:45,62.4826905 --> 00:50:47,172.4826905
Same idea- Yeah for me with, with Ron Greschner.

664
00:50:47,172.4836905 --> 00:50:47,272.4836905
Yeah.

665
00:50:47,662.4816905 --> 00:50:59,152.4866905
Um- Just clean Who you got? Yeah, on the hockey, no stats for me on this guy, but of course, so this goes back to my Islander fandom, and we'll get a little bit more into that during this season hopefully.

666
00:50:59,282.4856905 --> 00:50:59,542.4856905
Yeah.

667
00:50:59,642.4866905 --> 00:51:02,382.4856905
Number 14, Bobby Bourne.

668
00:51:02,632.4866905 --> 00:51:03,742.4866905
The- Hmm.

669
00:51:03,822.4856905 --> 00:51:08,402.4856905
I couldn't believe that Bob Bourne actually started playing in 1974 at 20 years old.

670
00:51:08,442.4856905 --> 00:51:11,832.4856905
My memories, you know, really come from '78, '79 on.

671
00:51:12,372.4856905 --> 00:51:16,102.4856905
But I saw an Islanders plaque series, recently.

672
00:51:16,442.4846905 --> 00:51:21,432.4846905
Speed, skill, and character, they ca- they talked about in terms of being teammates with Bobby Bourne.

673
00:51:21,472.4826905 --> 00:51:21,772.4826905
Yeah.

674
00:51:21,772.4826905 --> 00:51:24,172.4836905
And all those- I remember the speed all those great players.

675
00:51:24,182.4856905 --> 00:51:32,172.4846905
So for me, a 6'3" speedster, um- Yeah a special teams ace, power play, penalty kill, both things.

676
00:51:32,512.4856905 --> 00:51:39,902.4876905
Ken Morrow talked about that, you know, of course from Ur- US Miracle on Ice fame- Sure that he was worth the price of admission in talking about Bobby Bourne.

677
00:51:40,382.4886905 --> 00:51:46,952.4866905
But I was always just wowed by his ability to accelerate from his own end, and kind of skate through everybody.

678
00:51:47,442.4856905 --> 00:51:50,382.4866905
Uh, and here's an example of that.

679
00:51:51,2.4876905 --> 00:52:05,752.4876905
1983, in the second round of the playoffs, there's this great goal, coast to coast, verse the New York Rangers, which happens to be, on one of these lists, number 41 on the top 50 of all-time playoff goals.

680
00:52:06,342.4876905 --> 00:52:09,462.4826905
I am wondering whether this goal rings a bell.

681
00:52:09,462.4826905 --> 00:52:11,892.4826905
Second round, '83 playoffs.

682
00:52:11,962.4826905 --> 00:52:23,742.4846905
No, but certainly that Islander dynasty rings all kinds of bells, PTSD city, uh, to, to the point where I just crashed into the mic, uh, from the trauma.

683
00:52:23,752.4876905 --> 00:52:30,482.4836905
So- no, I don't remember that exact goal, but I do remember having my heart ripped out of my chest, uh, four years in a row.

684
00:52:30,562.4826905 --> 00:52:38,771.0565476
I mean, you know, of all the great guys on those teams, um, here's one, Bobby Bourne, that is probably on that next tranche, but I was happy to kind of- Yeah, yeah re-look and, and talk about him.

685
00:52:38,771.0565476 --> 00:52:42,572.4856905
He was probably that next tranche, but very, very solid pick.

686
00:52:42,582.4876905 --> 00:52:43,502.4816905
Good pick by you.

687
00:52:44,202.4856905 --> 00:52:45,152.4856905
Basketball NBA.

688
00:52:45,152.4856905 --> 00:52:45,262.4856905
Yeah.

689
00:52:45,342.4856905 --> 00:52:47,42.4846905
This one was trickier for me.

690
00:52:47,92.4836905 --> 00:52:47,242.4836905
Same.

691
00:52:47,262.4816905 --> 00:52:47,952.4856905
And, okay.

692
00:52:47,952.4856905 --> 00:52:52,432.4836905
Yeah, so- you know, I kind of had a few, I had a few contenders.

693
00:52:52,472.4806905 --> 00:52:53,952.4796905
Uh, but let's just get right to it.

694
00:52:54,2.4906905 --> 00:53:05,82.4906905
My pick, Rory Sparrow, the Knicks got him from Atlanta- Oh, yeah in February '83 for Scott Hastings and Cash, reportedly $600,000.

695
00:53:05,422.4916905 --> 00:53:09,412.4906905
Um, of course, where was he drafted from? Villanova.

696
00:53:09,462.4906905 --> 00:53:16,522.4916905
So he was- Yes you know, the first Villanova point guard to run the New York Knicks 40 years before Brunson.

697
00:53:16,522.4926905 --> 00:53:23,512.4896905
Same school, same position, same building, and nobody ever called him a Nova Knick because there wasn't such a thing yet.

698
00:53:23,642.4916905 --> 00:53:26,632.4886905
For, for the Knicks, really a solid player.

699
00:53:26,632.4886905 --> 00:53:30,882.4886905
347 games, averaging 10 points, 6.2

700
00:53:30,882.4886905 --> 00:53:40,172.4886905
assists, 47% from the field, 81% from the line, four straight seasons of 400 plus assists.

701
00:53:40,392.4866905 --> 00:53:55,782.4866905
And then the last thing I'd say on, on Rory Sparrow, 1987, SI names him one of its eight Sportsmen of the Year, for his work with the kids in New York City and Paterson, New Jersey, um, where he founded the Rory Sparrow Foundation.

702
00:53:55,842.4876905 --> 00:53:57,512.4896905
Uh, that's my pick, Rory Sparrow.

703
00:53:57,572.4876905 --> 00:53:58,792.4886905
Love Rory Sparrow.

704
00:53:58,812.4886905 --> 00:54:00,112.4856905
Such a fan of his game.

705
00:54:00,122.4866905 --> 00:54:02,202.4866905
He's on my shortlist of course.

706
00:54:02,222.4886905 --> 00:54:03,862.4876905
It was a tough pick for me.

707
00:54:04,262.4856905 --> 00:54:05,652.4876905
I went Gerald Wilkins.

708
00:54:05,712.4886905 --> 00:54:09,252.4886905
So this is kind of the later part of our ground rules here.

709
00:54:09,262.4876905 --> 00:54:09,282.4876905
Yeah.

710
00:54:09,292.4866905 --> 00:54:12,282.4856905
Um, 1985 to 1992.

711
00:54:12,342.4856905 --> 00:54:12,622.4856905
Yeah.

712
00:54:12,652.4866905 --> 00:54:16,282.4876905
So he played his first seven seasons as a Knick, five playoff teams.

713
00:54:16,692.4876905 --> 00:54:19,182.4876905
He was a second rounder from Tennessee, Chattanooga.

714
00:54:19,212.4886905 --> 00:54:25,552.4896905
I always have a soft spot for guys that aren't first round picks, you know, uh, the Jalen Brunsons of the world for sure.

715
00:54:25,882.4866905 --> 00:54:35,842.4886905
Um, dynamic scorer, shooter, creating off the dribble, slasher, finisher on the fast break, extremely athletic, and a really tough defender.

716
00:54:36,272.4856905 --> 00:54:43,562.4866905
Uh, one thing which I didn't remember, six seasons of at least 80 games, so the durability of the player is fantastic.

717
00:54:43,982.4846905 --> 00:54:44,162.4846905
Hmm.

718
00:54:44,192.4836905 --> 00:54:50,572.4886905
And I guess I always had extra respect for him as a player because it could not have been easy being Dominique's little brother.

719
00:54:50,792.4906905 --> 00:54:50,972.4906905
Yeah.

720
00:54:51,12.4836905 --> 00:54:59,552.4876905
Um, so he was a really good Knick, and in some of the footage I was watching, very nice chemistry with point guard Mark Jackson, kind of your guy.

721
00:54:59,572.4866905 --> 00:55:07,872.4866905
And also before we leave, um, these underrated players, I just wanted to say I have an honorable mention, but it didn't meet my ground rules of at least five years with the team.

722
00:55:07,992.4866905 --> 00:55:08,92.4866905
Uh-huh.

723
00:55:08,232.4866905 --> 00:55:11,752.4856905
So Darryl Walker, three seasons in '83 to '86.

724
00:55:11,782.4866905 --> 00:55:12,832.4876905
Great minds think alike.

725
00:55:12,832.4876905 --> 00:55:15,392.4856905
I mean, I could not believe it was only three years.

726
00:55:15,392.4866905 --> 00:55:15,812.4866905
Same.

727
00:55:15,812.4866905 --> 00:55:17,42.4866905
So he would've been my guy.

728
00:55:17,52.4866905 --> 00:55:17,612.4866905
Same.

729
00:55:17,702.4866905 --> 00:55:21,962.4856905
Um, but anyway, we just loved watching him.

730
00:55:21,962.4866905 --> 00:55:22,982.4866905
What a difference maker.

731
00:55:23,2.4856905 --> 00:55:26,752.4856905
The Detroit Pistons series, you can remember the steal almost like it was yesterday.

732
00:55:26,892.4846905 --> 00:55:27,862.4846905
Anyway, I just wanted to put that out there.

733
00:55:27,862.4846905 --> 00:55:41,202.4866905
Uh, that, so that's funny because literally the same process happened with me, and literally the same reason to not pick him- Yeah was the three-year tenure, which I also remembered to be longer.

734
00:55:41,232.4866905 --> 00:55:43,422.4846905
But, um- Yeah as they say, great fans think alike.

735
00:55:44,902.4856905 --> 00:55:45,352.4846905
Very good.

736
00:55:45,372.4866905 --> 00:55:46,92.4866905
That was cool.

737
00:55:46,182.4836905 --> 00:55:46,662.4836905
Yeah.

738
00:55:46,792.4846905 --> 00:55:47,252.4866905
All right.

739
00:55:47,272.4846905 --> 00:55:48,832.4846905
So let's, uh, let's do a little PS.

740
00:55:49,22.4846905 --> 00:55:50,452.4856905
Let's take it off the field.

741
00:55:50,462.4866905 --> 00:56:02,422.4816905
For, for this week, almost like a bit of a corollary to last round, we wanted to see hobbies, activities, games, anything that you've wanted to either learn or improve at.

742
00:56:02,552.4826905 --> 00:56:02,842.4826905
Yep.

743
00:56:03,112.4886905 --> 00:56:04,632.4876905
And I will certainly start.

744
00:56:04,802.4826905 --> 00:56:10,942.4816905
This is a game, uh, that I've never learnt how to play and it's been constantly on the list, and it's chess.

745
00:56:11,172.4856905 --> 00:56:17,232.4816905
My desire to learn chess was rekindled, um, after binging through The Queen's Gambit in 2020.

746
00:56:17,292.4816905 --> 00:56:17,602.4856905
Uh-huh.

747
00:56:17,622.4826905 --> 00:56:26,82.4856905
Um, you know, and it's I'm wondering whether maybe you could actually get me going on this game 'cause I know you've actually worked on your, on your chess.

748
00:56:26,362.4806905 --> 00:56:34,532.4876905
And of course- Uh how can I not be playing chess? One of my favorite expressions is playing chess, not checkers.

749
00:56:34,892.4876905 --> 00:56:35,702.4856905
So yeah.

750
00:56:35,772.4846905 --> 00:56:36,122.4846905
Yeah.

751
00:56:36,122.4846905 --> 00:56:38,222.4826905
So you wanna know mine, first one? Yeah.

752
00:56:38,242.4856905 --> 00:56:39,22.4856905
Chess.

753
00:56:39,102.4866905 --> 00:56:39,732.4866905
Okay.

754
00:56:39,752.4876905 --> 00:56:41,152.4816905
So, so right here in my notes.

755
00:56:41,212.4866905 --> 00:56:42,912.4876905
I believe it, because you're already a player.

756
00:56:42,952.4846905 --> 00:56:47,32.4856905
Yeah, I'm already a player, but I'm by no means where I wanna be.

757
00:56:47,132.4846905 --> 00:56:50,282.4856905
It started really for me during COVID.

758
00:56:50,282.4866905 --> 00:56:51,292.4826905
Chess.com

759
00:56:51,292.4826905 --> 00:56:55,402.4866905
made it easy to You could just go online and someone, you're playing a live game.

760
00:56:56,62.4896905 --> 00:56:59,652.4886905
Um, what I it's all skill.

761
00:56:59,702.4886905 --> 00:57:02,352.4886905
There is no luck in chess whatsoever.

762
00:57:02,352.4886905 --> 00:57:07,482.4886905
Poker is a very difficult game, one of which you're better at than I am by a mile.

763
00:57:07,702.4886905 --> 00:57:26,742.4886905
But at the end of the day, uh, you still need cards, like when you come down- Yeah to any given tournament but chess is, it's, it's literally you against an opponent with defined set of rules, i, I, you know, have a secret goal of being able to put up a fair fight against my, my son.

764
00:57:26,742.4886905 --> 00:57:27,152.4876905
Yes, yes.

765
00:57:27,212.4896905 --> 00:57:39,252.4866905
Uh, chess isn't even in one of his, like I call it, not even like a top three passion for him, but it's still a hobby that he, he does do from time to time, and he's quite an excellent player.

766
00:57:39,562.4876905 --> 00:57:51,542.4886905
Um, at this point, I, I, I really can't put up a, a reasonable fight against him, and so I use him more as a, as a tutor, than anything else.

767
00:57:51,542.4886905 --> 00:58:03,452.4786905
So he will coach me, um, during some games or review games with me and go over specific things that I should've been looking at or different ways to, to think about, my choice.

768
00:58:03,512.4766905 --> 00:58:06,732.4769048
So this is you'll be a great teacher for me, since I am starting from basically zero.

769
00:58:06,872.4759048 --> 00:58:08,992.4759048
I could, I could get you going for sure.

770
00:58:09,62.4759048 --> 00:58:09,592.4769048
All right.

771
00:58:10,62.4759048 --> 00:58:13,162.4769048
Well, you mentioned, you mentioned cards, so this is kind of a quick one.

772
00:58:13,192.4759048 --> 00:58:13,342.4759048
Yeah.

773
00:58:13,352.4769048 --> 00:58:20,172.4749048
Um, so a game, a card game that I'd say I'm pretty solid at, but by no means an expert, is gin rummy.

774
00:58:20,202.4759048 --> 00:58:22,352.4769048
Not as popular as poker by any stretch.

775
00:58:22,362.4759048 --> 00:58:22,722.4759048
Right.

776
00:58:22,812.4759048 --> 00:58:44,672.4739048
But I would certainly love some pointers for, or strategic tips, if you will, from competitive players, just to see how the game that I've been playing on and off, you know, for a while, um, what am I missing? You know, what, what, what little tools could I do to kind of take it to another level? What you need to do is to go back in time and join those guys from The Flamingo Kid at that club.

777
00:58:44,702.4759048 --> 00:58:45,642.4759048
Sweet Ginger Brown.

778
00:58:45,652.4769048 --> 00:58:48,252.4769048
Sweet Ginger Brown, 'cause those guys played every day.

779
00:58:48,362.4759048 --> 00:58:48,812.4749048
They did.

780
00:58:49,102.4769048 --> 00:58:49,432.4769048
Yeah.

781
00:58:49,432.4769048 --> 00:58:54,782.4839048
S- s- Yeah did you, did you have a, do you have a sec- do you have a second one? I do actually have a second one.

782
00:58:54,792.4839048 --> 00:58:55,202.4839048
Yeah? Okay.

783
00:58:55,362.4839048 --> 00:58:56,692.4829048
My second one is guitar.

784
00:58:56,702.4809048 --> 00:59:01,172.4799048
I played a lot in high school, and actually, I would say I was arguably good.

785
00:59:01,222.4849048 --> 00:59:01,462.4849048
Yeah.

786
00:59:03,68.4849048 --> 00:59:04,988.4849048
mostly futzed around in my room.

787
00:59:05,318.4849048 --> 00:59:15,18.4849048
So this is kind of a, you know, a personal anecdote, which is my dad never criticized me about anything.

788
00:59:15,48.4849048 --> 00:59:17,198.4849048
Like, just it wasn't in his DNA.

789
00:59:17,198.4849048 --> 00:59:22,958.4849048
He was just supportive and, and loving and all that good stuff, maybe to a fault.

790
00:59:22,958.4849048 --> 00:59:24,708.4839048
But guitar was the one exception.

791
00:59:24,708.4839048 --> 00:59:29,948.4839048
He would say, "I, I'm hearing you in there, and you just never finish a song.

792
00:59:29,958.4839048 --> 00:59:33,88.4849048
What is going on with you?" And you know, he was right.

793
00:59:33,198.4859048 --> 00:59:45,358.4839048
I would play one complex riff to a rock song that I really like, and then I'd move on to another song and play a complex riff there, and I don't even understand it, but I, I, I just wouldn't finish songs.

794
00:59:45,728.4839048 --> 00:59:57,338.4829048
So, you know, fast-forward to, again, COVID, I picked up an old acoustic 'cause I hadn't been playing for a while, and now I play all the time.

795
00:59:57,348.4829048 --> 01:00:09,878.4849048
Like along with chess, it is something that I spend most of my hobby time doing, and the rule that I give myself is that I'm gonna finish every song, and that's what I do now.

796
01:00:10,278.4839048 --> 01:00:20,238.4799048
I'm proud to say that I, I played a gig in front of my, uh, daughter's, uh, friends up in college her senior year, 50 people, about the most nervous I've ever been.

797
01:00:20,508.4789048 --> 01:00:23,438.4799048
Seven songs solo, me and the acoustic.

798
01:00:23,738.4829048 --> 01:00:49,498.4799048
So I guess, you know, for just, just to put a bow on, on, on the theme here, today's whole episode I would say was about not finishing, the Jets coming so close on the road and getting to the championship game, Ron Greschner giving 16 years and not winning a thing, Rory Sparrow making it to the cover of SI but getting traded before the Knicks got good.

799
01:00:50,698.4849048 --> 01:00:59,538.4809048
So you know, for now my lesson and that I take with me is just finish the damn song, and that's what I do, so thanks to my dad.

800
01:00:59,538.4809048 --> 01:01:00,58.4819048
My God.

801
01:01:00,328.4819048 --> 01:01:12,968.4779048
My God, that is, that is perfect and really nice to hear, uh, looking back from sort of your early guitar days all the way to going back up to playing recently, which I know you were really excited about.

802
01:01:12,968.4809048 --> 01:01:15,198.4789048
I was excited for you for that.

803
01:01:15,238.4849048 --> 01:01:17,38.4819048
So just incredible.

804
01:01:17,528.4789048 --> 01:01:18,458.4879048
Great way to end.

805
01:01:19,148.4739048 --> 01:01:21,448.4879048
And with that, that's it for today.

806
01:01:21,958.4859048 --> 01:01:23,18.4859048
Thank you for listening.

807
01:01:23,428.4879048 --> 01:01:25,848.4749048
Until the next time, I'm Peter Olczyk.

808
01:01:26,428.4879048 --> 01:01:27,568.4789048
And I'm Scott Greenhut.

809
01:01:27,668.4779048 --> 01:01:38,628.4789048
Make sure to subscribe to S&P's Why Not Us on your favorite podcast player, and feel free to send in your comments and suggestions on our website, whynotuspod.com.

810
01:01:39,28.4789048 --> 01:01:47,478.4789048
We'll be back in two weeks to do it all over again, but until next time, Peter and I are gonna put this episode in the books.

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