S&P’s Why Not Us?!: Episode # 7

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After that, we'll get into the rundown.

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Now, soccer is first.

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Did you- Boo did you want to sort of like- Boo you...

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Okay, I feel like you're done now.

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Um, we'll do the US first.

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And, uh, who, who wants to transition out of soccer into the NBA? And then I go, "Go New York, go New York, go."

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Uh, yeah, that doesn't help.

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Yeah, it doesn't in terms of getting organized on the rundown.

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It does in terms of mojo and the mood for the podcast.

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So.

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Welcome to S&P's Why Not Us?, the podcast that's watching the world fight over a cup, the NBA fight over cap space, and the Mets fight the urge to do something stupid before the deadline.

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I'm your co-host, Scott Greenhut, and on the other side of the mic, looking fabulous in his Jets T-shirt, Peter Olczyk.

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Hello.

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Great to be here..

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By the way, speaking of the Jets, since you mentioned it, we also have a, a mug that I got for my birthday last year.

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What, what, what does that mug say? Well, it says, "We almost always almost win."

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Okay.

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So that's a bit of a tongue twister, but maybe we'll get more into that- a little bit later in the show.

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There's definitely no coding there.

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I think we, we get it.

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Who got you such a nice gift? The family.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Great.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Um, all right.

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And let's...

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With that, let's get into some of the sports stuff.

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In today's episode, we'll talk more about the very busy and buzzy NBA off-season, highlight some players who could be on the move before the August 3rd MLB trade deadline, and work our way back to the NFL with a special, and likely a bit painful- look-back series featuring the New York Jets playoff history.

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But we begin with the craziness and high drama of the World Cup.

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So the US had a big game the other day, uh, against Belgium.

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Why don't you...

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Let's, let's start with that.

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Yeah.

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The USA home soil dream died in Seattle.

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They were never in that game against Belgium, who cleaned their clock- four to one.

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Just manhandled physically, I was listening to some of the, uh, commentators- Yeah break it down, people who watch the game a bit more than I do.

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And they were saying how Belgium had guys on the bench, not even including the three guys- Right that they held back- Right but just other guys on the bench that would be, like, A-plus players for the United States.

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So- um, in reality, we all got excited because it was on our soil, and we had a nice run-up to it in the, preliminary matches.

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But, form held, and, uh, next time hopefully a little better for us.

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You know, watching that game, and very excited.

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A- as I've said, you know, getting, getting into this team, getting part of this growing tent, I was absolutely into it.

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From the beginning, it just felt so shocking that it was kind of like JV versus varsity.

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I mean, that's what I thought I was watching from the get-go.

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Yeah.

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You know, that first half could've been 3-0 instead of 2-1.

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Yeah.

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Um, you know, and I guess just overall it just felt like a big missed opportunity.

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One game short.

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That's all we were.

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You know, g- give the US a chance to play Spain.

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Let everybody have a few more days to just get further into the tent, get that much more excited, more Coach Poach stuff.

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I've enjoyed kind of, you know, learning about him during this whole thing.

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Mm-hmm.

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So, you know, it just felt like a missed opportunity.

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But, you know, on the players' side, so great getting to know a little bit more about Alex Freeman, who's just 21.

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Malik Tillman 24.

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He was definitely a wow on the field.

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And Flo Balogun, you know, sort of putting all the politics stuff on the side, you know, there's a lot of talent, and he's just 25 years old.

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So looking more to learn more about him and his career as he goes on.

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And, and I would just say I hope on the whole Christian Pulisic part of things, he's only 27, so I really hope that there's actually, you know, more national moments in a way that, um, that he could feel good about.

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'Cause I know there's just, you know, crazy noise and- A lot of noise- Yeah about whether he needed to come out or not.

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But that's neither here nor there- Yeah in my opinion, because that wasn't gonna change the outcome.

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So yeah, it would be great if, if he could stay around for, for the next go of it.

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in terms of who's still here- Yep we've got France and Spain on one side.

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That's- That's kinda just a classic.

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I just love it.

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Just historically, I mean, you can't beat that.

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And then, and then we'll see.

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We have the upstarts of Norway, I mean, they're not complete upstarts, but a little bit, against England, and I just have so many English soccer fans surrounding me at work and watching all these games, you know, d- as closely as they can, and actually not working during said games.

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And then, Argentina and Switzerland on the other side.

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So, you know, if, if form holds there, you would have a final four of France, Spain, England, Argentina.

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I know you can't have everybody, like Portugal's out, et cetera, but, like, that's kind of as classic a final four as you could think about.

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This is great.

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You know, as we've been saying, and I've watched a good amount, France has been clearly the best team in this tournament.

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Really playing beautiful soccer.

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Exciting.

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That duo, Mbappé and Dembélé, fantastic.

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Spain's been winning.

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You know, they finally gave up a goal for the first time, but haven't looked too impressive.

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Uh, I did like the youngin, Lamine Yamal, who's gonna be 19 on Monday.

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I think he said yesterday after the win, uh, "If any one team France should fear, it's us."

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I love that.

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Put that bulletin board material right out there- Yeah for the US fans.

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The England-Norway game, really excited to see that later on.

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Ha- Harry Kane's been amazing.

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Erling Haaland has become- Haaland a US superstar in every way.

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He's the breakout.

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You know, put the whole Noah Sindergaard comparisons- and Thor on the side, but he is extremely entertaining, and he has been able to kind of take all the pressure off of Norway, and it's worked, because he's playing great, and the team, you know, uh, has kind of been the darlings of the tournament.

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Uh, and of course Messi, who has pretty much single-handedly kept that team alive.

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So we sh- we shall see later on.

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We shall see.

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And then this all builds to, the final on, July 19th.

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In New York.

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In New York, and, sorry for that.

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Um, w- uh, all the soccer fans globally, um, our apologies.

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That being said, we will regale you with, Justin Bieber, Madonna- Oh Shakira And BTS on the halftime show lineup, so- How they gonna fit all that in? I, I, maybe it'll just be extended halftime, but that's, that's all the rumors are- What are we going all Super Bowl? Are we going, like, 25 minutes? What are we doing? At least, yeah.

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I think, I think it's gonna be a, a whole thing.

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That's apparently what we can do.

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We can't, we can't really give you a, a great soccer venue, but we can, we can give you the halftime.

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As long as, Donald Trump doesn't take his Qatari jet and, try to attend this one, everyone should have a great time.

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And what? What? What? We're not, I'm just saying, it would be, it would be, I think, a little easier for people to, to enjoy the game without a six-hour, body search before going in.

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All right.

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That's soccer.

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We're gonna transition over to, to the NBA.

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I think I'll let you go first here in terms of some of the off-season movement.

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Yeah.

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There has been no shortage of interesting developments.

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Where do you wanna start? Yeah.

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The East, just all the moving chess pieces going on, it is just fun to watch.

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So Philly, you know, we talked a little bit about Giannis last time, but since then, of course, you know, now Jaylen Brown is on that team.

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Yes.

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Um, what a, what a core.

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You know, Tyrese Maxey, Ed- Vijay Edgecomb, now in his second year, and Jaylen Brown.

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Um- How about- Yes how little Jaylen Brown fetched for those Celtics? Yeah, so, you know, the, all of this with Boston, and I think, what, they used the word, you know, Joe Mazzulla used the word the other day, they need a new identity.

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Um, the GM, you know, talked about, uh, having optionality.

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Jaylen Brown, as we've talked about on the pod, I think even a couple of months ago, was clearly one of the five best players in the NBA last year, and probably the, you know, the best two-way player.

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Yep.

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So it feels like Boston got worse.

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I mean, to me, that's, that's the headline.

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They got, yeah, they got so little back from him.

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I think they made a play for Giannis, and the, obviously, that was gonna include Jaylen Brown.

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And when that didn't work out, everyone knew that Jaylen Brown- Yeah wasn't gonna remain a Celtic, just because it just, it just became obvious, so- On both sides.

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On both the player's side as well as the team's side Both sides.

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But leverage, whatever leverage there may have been, was, was kind of undercut there.

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And so I th- so in, in the end, the Celtics, for once, the, uh, front office not looking like the, the, the savviest bunch around town.

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But that's a, that's a rare, that's a rare thing for them, and, and over time they'll be fine.

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So let's talk about Miami for a second.

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So we said that, okay, they're gonna try to build around Giannis.

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What are the pieces gonna look like? Yeah.

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Tim Hardaway the other day.

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That's a, that's a good one.

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Uh, 41% from threes last year, for Denver.

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Now, of course, his dad's got his number retired on that team.

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But his son is now bringing that jersey down and wearing the number 10- Oh, that's a good one and throwing Jr.

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on it.

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Okay.

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So I love that.

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That's good.

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And, uh, yeah, that team's gonna continue to develop, and I think it's gonna be, you know, a real, uh, a real player in the top half, you know, o- of the East.

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And then in Toronto, TBD.

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You know, lots of confusion around Kawhi coming over.

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That trade's not done yet with- Yeah with the Clippers- Yeah and with the investigation with the circumvented salary cap.

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It probably will happen at some point.

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Maybe the picks will change a little bit.

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But, uh, we'll keep, we'll keep an eye on that.

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Yeah.

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And Donovan Mitchell signing a max- Oh, yeah extension for Cleveland.

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Four years, $273 million for Donovan Mitchell Okay.

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Um- Is that enough to bring LeBron to that team? I mean, LeBron will take the min.

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Donovan Mitchell's getting four years at 273.

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By the way, uh, Wemby- Yeah taking five years at- Yes 252.

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So taking just the regular max versus the super max, perhaps trying to take a, a small page from Jalen Brunson's book, but also just funny to see those two contracts stacked up next to each other in almost the wrong direction- Yeah between Donovan Mitchell a- a- and Wemby.

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No, that's fair.

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That, that is fair.

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This week marks 16 years since LeBron's The Decision, right? Yeah, it does.

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Remember that? I was- On, on ESPN.

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Everyone was watching The Decision.

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Back then, that was when, we all had one kind of viewing vehicle called the television.

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We all turn on said television.

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Jim Gray got the assignment.

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Did you think the Knicks, did you think the Knicks had a shot? No, and for some reason I don't remember watching it, which maybe tells me that- I definitely remember watching it and immediately knowing that, the phrase taking my talents to South Beach wouldn't age well.

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I was like, "Oh, boy."

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So now we're 16 years later and is he gonna do it again? Which is- But now we do- Which is funny now we're doing voice memos.

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Like, that seems to be the communication strategy this time.

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That's how people are getting to him.

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He loves that.-

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Some people are speculating that he won't say anything until the World Cup ends because he wants- Correct full attention on himself versus some of the global superstars that are on the pitch.

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And he's still showing up in soccer commercials, I guess kudos to LeBron for, still, still having that, that hold on, the public's imagination.

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All right, let's, let's get into our Knicks just for a little bit in terms of the moves.

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Well, first of all, some of the news, right? We find out Jalen Brunson a few days ago has left wrist surgery.

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Superman.

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Just the legend grows.

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The, uh, just it wa- you know, as if it needed an ounce more, but here you go.

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Yeah, I mean, of course, you know, that whole thing, however it played out, was kept quiet throughout the whole time.

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Well, that's a good idea.

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Yeah.

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We didn't want anybody, um, taking extra liberties there.

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Uh, but, but wow, just that he- that he, even in the last game because, you know, that was the superstar performance in game five, and the wrist must have been at its peak pain during that game.

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Totally.

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Yeah, totally, and it was never a story.

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And not only was it not a story during the finals, as you just mentioned, and, and there's all kinds of strategic sense for that- Yeah but it wasn't a story after.

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Like, it wasn't, the next three days or four days afterwards, you know, he dropped the bomb.

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But by the way, 'cause he could have.

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He could have done it then, and it's just not him.

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No.

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I mean, the whole...

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It, it isn't, and he's such the leader in every which way possible.

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A- and I'm just thinking as you said that, when he didn't even wanna see the Larry O'Brien Trophy, he wouldn't go into the room even when they were like, "Oh," and he didn't wanna talk about it.

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He said, you know, "No, next, kinda next question."

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Very high character.

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Um- Love that by the way, in terms of leadership and another player, which we've talked a little bit about him, Jordan Clarkson.

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Yep.

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Love that we did the, the resigning this week.

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Yep.

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And two things sort of ring a bell with me.

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I don't know if you were watching the game in early April with the whole magic healing on the sidelines with the comic relief with OG Anunoby's right wrist when he's just kind of doing the pixie dust stuff.

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Yeah.

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So that's, that's great.

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That's Jordan Clarkson finding, you know, just a moment to be that guy.

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Yep.

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And then on the other side, just this week, kind of Mike Brown reinforcing, well, this was a guy that wouldn't be afraid to do truth-telling with this team.

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You know, he, he got it.

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He knew when his voice mattered and to kind of redirect things in the locker room.

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So no matter how many minutes he plays next year- Yeah this is a really important re-sign, and you can tell that he is just a key element in trying to see whether this team's actually, got a, a good shot to try to go after a second title.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We're s- we're excited to have him back And we're excited Sham's coming back.

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Love it.

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And, you know, we d- we did, uh...

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we, we won't talk about our center just because, good for him.

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Time to make a little money and, uh, let's, let's leave it at that.

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Okay.

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Let's leave that right there and move on to the baseball- Yeah diamond as we rapidly approach the trade deadline.

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Yeah, so we thought for this week we would both kind of name, uh, a hitter and a pitcher in both leagues that could be on the move.

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So in the National League, hitter I'm going with is Luis Arias, San Francisco.

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Um, second in batting average, which is pretty typical for him.

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326 through the other day.

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Low strikeouts, also very typical.

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But as we talked about in the, in the baseball preview earlier in the year, he wanted to go to a team where he could play second base, and his defense, the advanced metrics for his defense this year- Mm-hmm have been really good.

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Hmm.

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And you can kind of do a little bit of a shout-out there for the infield whisperer, which is Coach Ron Washington, which wherever he's been- Hmm he's been able to help players.

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So there's no question that he's been part of that.

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You know, but it was just a one-year deal.

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San Francisco's had a really tough year, much like our Mets.

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So the team that I'm thinking, I'll throw out one team, Tampa Bay Rays.

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Uh, you know, clearly they've been cruising in the, in the division, up three to four games on the Yankees.

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Yeah.

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The AL, as we've talked about, is, is really poor this year.

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But there's a guy who could lengthen that lineup.

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Flexibility to play first or second.

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High contact rate for the playoffs.

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We saw, we saw last year what that did for Toronto against, you know, really high-end pitching, especially relief pitching later in the game.

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So that's my hitter.

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Yep.

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And I'll quickly mention a pitcher.

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Okay.

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Freddy Peralta.

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Um- He- Yeah I read, you know, I read something this week from Tom Verducci, who, as I've said in the past, just does such great analysis on baseball, and he actually was talking about that Peralta's been getting less extension down the mound, which decreases perceived velocity.

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So the fastball, fastball Freddy as he's been known for years, his fastball is actually less in perceived velocity than the Major League average, 94.2

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versus 95.

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That actually matters.

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And of course, there's been talk about pitch selection, all these things.

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Still This is a very talented pitcher.

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We know how, um, how much playoff teams really just feel as though that they can take a guy, do a tweak here, do a tweak there.

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He's got a great track record.

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It would not surprise me at all if they find a match.

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And if I was gonna throw out a team, I'll go the Cubs again.

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Mm-hmm.

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This is one of those kind of, as I like to say, follow the relationships.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, so manager Craig Counsell, of course there's a history there.

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Of course the Mets already traded with Chicago recently, David Stearns and Jed Hoyer with David Peterson.

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Um, so anyway, I'll j- I'll just put that out there.

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We'll see.

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Uh, and I'm sure Freddy Peralta can, you know, can become a lot closer to the guy that we thought he was gonna be this year, which is really kind of six solid innings every time he pitches.

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Five to six innings anyway.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It would've been great if we...

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Yeah, if...

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I wish he was playing a little better just for our return's sake.

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But, um, but I agree.

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He, uh, that was gonna be, when we got to the Mets my, uh- One of my points of, uh, movement.

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But before we get there, let's talk about American League- Yep players on the move potentially.

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'Cause who the hell knows.

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Tarik Skubal from the,, Detroit Tigers, you know, if you can get Skubal, get Skubal.

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That's, uh- Okay that's a quote.

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Okay.

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I've heard it.

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Actually, I made it up.

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But, uh, his prorated salary at the deadline would be, uh, 10 million out of the 32.

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Yeah.

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Not going to be at, an impediment for the likes of the Dodgers, um, even the Braves.

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Anyone with a real farm system, um, would be i- in the running, even, even the Evil Empire would be considered a long shot.

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Don't even.

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But, uh, right.

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So he is, the pitcher of choice with a, bonus play of, Aroldis, uh, Chapman potentially.

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Oh, yeah.

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Um, so that is, those are...

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It's a bonus pitcher.

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And then from the hitting side, I selected Taylor Ward from the Angels.

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Okay.

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Uh, 36 homers last year.

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This year more of an on-base guy- Yeah um, with less power, but would be a great leadoff bat or, um, a, a nice outfield piece.

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There's a bunch of teams that, that he could go to.

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Diamondbacks and Braves and the Rays, I'd say, are the, the leading contenders.

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Um, yeah, but that's my, that's my pick there for- Nice so.

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I like that one.

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Yeah.

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Uh, all right, so we mentioned the Mets.

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We've already mentioned one player so far, so let's just maybe throw out a few other names 'cause, you know, the team's gonna be active and, and kind of needs to be active at the trade deadline.

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So the easiest ones feel like kind of the lefty reliever rentals, so that's Brooks Raley and A.J.

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Minter.

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Yeah.

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Both have been really good.

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I mean, honestly, the Mets have had five really good relief pitchers this year.

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Yeah.

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So we'll see how that shakes out.

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Wáscar Brazobán, he is still under contract- Yeah but I guarantee that they'll be listening on him if somebody kind of, again, I'm gonna say this a lot, makes an offer that the Mets really feel as though they can't refuse.

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Yeah.

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And I'm gonna mention two other names, and you can react to it.

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Sean Manaea and Francisco Álvarez.

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Now, both these guys, of course, are still under contract.

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Sean Manaea, much like I said before in starting pitching, he's actually pitched a lot better over the last few weeks or so.

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There's no question that teams are gonna be calling and asking about him, and it wouldn't surprise me, um, if maybe there's an overpay or if there's just, you know, a lot of teams interested.

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Francisco Álvarez I just get the feeling right now that maybe at this point, he is still a very young player and is gonna have, hopefully, a pretty long MLB career.

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I just think it's probably gonna be on another team.

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He's kind of a DH, maybe a catcher twice a week.

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I don't think the defense at catcher is really gonna get to the point, that, that the Mets would want, and we have a really good defensive catcher already under contract.

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Yeah.

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So this is, again, gonna be an if they can't refuse type of offer to me, but- Yeah I'm sure the, I'm sure the conversations are probably out there.

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Just, just put it out there.

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Yeah.

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He wasn't, on my high wish list to, to see gone.

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Yeah.

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But, uh, if the offer is good, I mean, we'd have to listen given how everything's going.

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So I'd have to agree with that.

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And, uh, Manaea, yeah, let's go.

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I mean, all pitchers, um, all pitchers, are always at a premium.

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And so, like, whatever we could do towards a rebuild.

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In terms of the Yankees, I...

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catching is, is their big hole right now.

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Their catchers are tied for the worst- R- WRC+ in baseball.

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Not good.

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No.

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And then the guy that seems like a target that, uh, I was kind of looking at anyway for, for other pieces of this segment, Ryan Jeffers.

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Yeah.

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At 164 WRC+, just,, as a contrast.

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Uh, pending free agent, so you know, probably not that difficult to pry loose.

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And just a little bit, one little thing on Jeffers.

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So literally just off the IL the other day, of course, he had the left hammy like three other players did to start this year.

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So looks like he's healthy, which will only, um, further kickstart those conversations over the next, you know, few weeks.

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Yep, yep.

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And then we'll see the other piece for the Y- I mean, the pitching.

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Pitching they could always use another arm like- They are absolutely gonna get relievers.,

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'Cause their starters likely they will have a very good big four, once everybody is kind of healthy by, you know, towards the end of August.

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But, um, yeah, they're definitely going to increase to their overall, uh, pitching staff, 100%.

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Yep.

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All right.

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We're gonna look a little bit, at the NFL, and, talk about sort of the arc of what it's been like to be a, a Jets fan for, as long as you have been.

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So,, you gave a little homework- I did which was, which was great.

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We, there were some YouTube videos from, from '81 and '82- Yeah which is, where we'll start this.

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And, it makes sense.

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I think '81 was the first time the Jets, uh, had been back into the playoffs since, since the famous Namath game, so it does make, sense to start there.

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Just for the listeners, what...

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I'm gonna just start with basics.

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Yeah.

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Like, just frame how old were you in 1981, and relatedly, what's your first real memory of being a Jets fan? Was it well before then, or, like, how would you answer both of those questions? Yeah, I- I mean, one i- one is math, and then the other you can, fill in that gap.

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You know, so I'm 12 years old, uh, in that '81 season, and just a little bit of context with, uh, with my Jets.

365
00:24:49,638.98875 --> 00:24:54,908.98875
So s- I looked at b- Football Reference just to look at some of the rosters again, going kind of back.

366
00:24:54,928.98975 --> 00:25:01,578.98875
So 1975- Mm really feels like the first roster of a group of players that- Okay I was into and stuff.

367
00:25:01,588.98575 --> 00:25:10,708.98675
Um, so the team, '75 through '77, you know what their record was each of those three years? Oh, I'll say three and something.

368
00:25:10,838.98575 --> 00:25:11,528.98375
Very good.

369
00:25:11,858.98975 --> 00:25:12,658.98775
Three and 11.

370
00:25:12,688.98475 --> 00:25:17,28.98175
Um, so that was kind of the, kickstart to the fandom.

371
00:25:17,68.98175 --> 00:25:22,128.98575
Uh, then they got hot '78 and '79, eight and eight, so th- that's, that's exciting.

372
00:25:22,538.98275 --> 00:25:27,898.98075
Uh, and then back to four and 12 for 1980, which kind of leads into this, this '81 season.

373
00:25:28,308.98275 --> 00:25:36,868.98175
So yeah, the fandom started probably '95, uh, '75, excuse me, you know, watching every game, uh, with my- Right.

374
00:25:36,868.98175 --> 00:25:42,728.98575
So by then- Yeah 81 you've already been in it for a while- Oh, yeah and it's like, oh, we're in the playoffs.

375
00:25:42,728.98575 --> 00:25:47,938.97575
It's, it's actually very similar, I was thinking about this this morning, the whole late '70s to 1980 thing.

376
00:25:48,138.96975 --> 00:25:55,38.97875
It's pretty similar to the New York Mets fandom, two really bad teams at the same time- that I was a super fan for.

377
00:25:55,38.97875 --> 00:25:57,138.97875
So that really kind of set me up.

378
00:25:57,138.97875 --> 00:26:03,548.97475
I often like to say, you know, um, it builds character, and in this case way, way too much character.

379
00:26:03,578.97275 --> 00:26:04,268.97275
Okay.

380
00:26:04,318.97775 --> 00:26:04,548.97175
But yeah.

381
00:26:04,548.97175 --> 00:26:10,18.96975
So at 81, uh, when we're talking Jets, we've gotta talk about the sack exchange.

382
00:26:10,78.96375 --> 00:26:10,288.96375
Sure.

383
00:26:10,658.96475 --> 00:26:12,928.96975
Gassino, Klecko, Lyons, and Salaam.

384
00:26:12,928.96975 --> 00:26:18,56.97375
Which one of them was your guy- Oh and why? We starting there? Yeah.

385
00:26:18,176.97375 --> 00:26:18,906.97375
Oh, yeah.

386
00:26:18,906.97375 --> 00:26:18,946.97375
We're gonna start there.

387
00:26:18,946.97375 --> 00:26:24,796.97375
Yeah, so Joe Klecko is on, my Rushmore for all-time Jets.

388
00:26:24,816.97375 --> 00:26:27,496.97275
Maybe we'll do sort of your Giants Rushmore at, at another time.

389
00:26:27,876.97275 --> 00:26:31,936.97375
But, uh, so he is absolutely at the top there.

390
00:26:32,66.97375 --> 00:26:43,196.97375
Uh- Hmm you know, Mark Gastineau, of course, and we'll, we'll talk about some of these games where you kind of see him rallying the troops and everything, and kind of before the sack dances were a thing.

391
00:26:43,206.97275 --> 00:26:49,306.97275
He was a bit of the start of all of that with, you know, that extracurricular behavior that might be a 15-yard penalty right now.

392
00:26:49,306.97275 --> 00:26:49,866.97275
I don't know.

393
00:26:49,956.97375 --> 00:26:53,996.97275
Unless it's a turnover, whereupon you're allowed to put a, a Broadway production on.

394
00:26:54,66.97075 --> 00:26:54,556.97075
Okay.

395
00:26:54,876.97175 --> 00:27:03,426.97275
But, you know, but Joe Klecko, uh, first of all, he played just about every position on the line, so I mean, he was an All-Pro a nose tackle, he was an All-Pro on the end.

396
00:27:03,816.97075 --> 00:27:07,326.96975
We'll get into, he played hurt, and man, did he get hurt a lot.

397
00:27:07,916.97275 --> 00:27:14,546.97175
The toughest player, again, uh, probably 1B in terms of, uh, all-time favorite Jets.

398
00:27:15,56.97175 --> 00:27:15,776.97175
Amazing.

399
00:27:15,786.97175 --> 00:27:25,296.96775
And did you know, uh, in November of that year, the four of them actually went down to the stock exchange, which is where the name comes from.

400
00:27:25,306.96775 --> 00:27:26,986.97275
Yeah, I've seen that video.

401
00:27:27,26.97275 --> 00:27:27,366.97275
I bet you, yeah.

402
00:27:27,526.96975 --> 00:27:27,916.96975
Yeah.

403
00:27:27,946.96775 --> 00:27:35,126.97275
Um- All right Gastineau, by the way, he kinda had that, uh, that 30 for 30, you know, last year, so they, they covered some of that.

404
00:27:35,166.96875 --> 00:27:36,36.97175
Oh, okay, great.

405
00:27:36,296.97375 --> 00:27:45,796.97275
And so, so then there's the, finally the playoffs- Yeah as we talked about, against Buffalo, down 24 to nothing at Shea.

406
00:27:45,796.97375 --> 00:27:50,476.97075
That was fun to watch for me, just because I- sometimes forget that they were there.

407
00:27:50,636.96975 --> 00:27:51,36.97175
I know, I know.

408
00:27:51,36.97175 --> 00:28:01,44.97475
Um, they claw all the way back to 31-27, and then, Richard Todd throws a pick with a couple seconds left down on the goal line.

409
00:28:01,84.97475 --> 00:28:18,794.97575
Uh, where were you for that game? And what do you remember about, in general, but specifically that devastating end? Yeah, so the game was December 27th, which means, and is, is right, I was with family upstate.

410
00:28:18,874.97575 --> 00:28:32,264.97375
Uh, the problem with something like that is that I don't really get the whole kind of private watching experience or at least me with my sort of cohort, uh, friend of the pod, uh, Andrew- Yeah, yeah who has watched many, many games together.

411
00:28:32,274.97675 --> 00:28:32,704.97675
Right.

412
00:28:33,114.97275 --> 00:28:39,314.97075
So yeah, so that's, that's the location, which kind of leads to this, you know, this drama being not so good.

413
00:28:39,344.97275 --> 00:28:48,34.97075
Um, by the way, the whole down 24, To zero 24 to zero, we're gonna get into another game later because I was lis- I was watching the videos.

414
00:28:48,34.97075 --> 00:28:51,554.96875
I'm like, "Oh my God, this is like Pittsburgh," but that's, that's We're gonna get to that.

415
00:28:51,694.97075 --> 00:28:51,904.97075
Right.

416
00:28:52,4.96875 --> 00:28:56,734.96975
Uh- This was the, the turnover on the opening kickoff, yes? Yeah.

417
00:28:56,824.96875 --> 00:28:57,4.96875
Yeah.

418
00:28:57,14.97175 --> 00:28:59,144.97075
So I mean, I, I cracked up.

419
00:28:59,164.96875 --> 00:29:11,184.97275
I could, I did not remember at all- uh, that Bruce Harper would fumble the opening kickoff because in terms of, again, great Jets, Bruce Harper is right there.

420
00:29:11,184.97375 --> 00:29:23,134.96975
We love him, you know, third down back, punts and kickoffs, but that was pretty Jets that the first play, the first play of a first playoff game- At home at home that that happened.

421
00:29:23,224.96675 --> 00:29:23,624.96675
Yep.

422
00:29:23,784.97175 --> 00:29:30,34.96875
Anyway, fast-forwarding kind of to, to the end and, like, a really nice, you know, comeback.

423
00:29:30,44.97375 --> 00:29:33,604.97075
Richard Todd actually threw a couple of beautiful spirals in that game.

424
00:29:33,624.97575 --> 00:29:34,174.97575
He did.

425
00:29:34,264.97475 --> 00:29:50,664.96775
Um, and I will say that, my guy, of course, Wesley Walker, as, as you well know, num- number one all-time favorite Jet, drew, drew a holding penalty, um, late, which kind of helped set up that, uh, that last attempt there with 11 seconds left.

426
00:29:51,174.96975 --> 00:29:52,844.97275
Poor pass for Derek Gaffney.

427
00:29:52,844.97275 --> 00:29:57,894.97175
He was always kind of like a third wide receiver, um, but good player.

428
00:29:59,354.97275 --> 00:30:08,74.97275
Uh, for me personally, this is the perfect example where you leave the game, y- you know, you take away from the family, and you just start reading a book.

429
00:30:08,284.97275 --> 00:30:14,534.97375
And that's, that is how you kind of start to get through football games, especially being a Jets fan.

430
00:30:14,974.97175 --> 00:30:15,54.97175
Yeah.

431
00:30:15,64.97175 --> 00:30:16,214.97275
Excellent, excellent.

432
00:30:16,224.97175 --> 00:30:19,484.97075
So then, so we can go to, to the following year.

433
00:30:19,494.97275 --> 00:30:19,514.97275
Yeah.

434
00:30:19,754.97175 --> 00:30:21,894.97075
It's a, a strike season.

435
00:30:22,24.97175 --> 00:30:22,284.97175
Yeah.

436
00:30:22,364.97175 --> 00:30:26,184.97175
And yet the Jets go on to the playoffs.

437
00:30:26,184.97175 --> 00:30:31,74.96875
They beat the Bengals The Freeman McNeil game the Freeman McNeil game.

438
00:30:31,184.96975 --> 00:30:33,864.96975
202 yards, that's a number that's in Jet lore.

439
00:30:34,554.96875 --> 00:30:42,544.96875
And then they have to go into Oakland playing the top seeded Raiders- and rookie Marcus Allen.

440
00:30:42,624.97275 --> 00:30:42,974.97275
Oh.

441
00:30:43,224.97075 --> 00:30:50,364.96875
How were you feeling at that point? You know, I think just kind of happy.

442
00:30:50,534.96875 --> 00:30:56,184.97075
You know, you're coming off of a game where Freeman in his second year is just running wild.

443
00:30:56,234.96575 --> 00:30:58,404.96575
This is a pretty talented team.

444
00:30:58,454.96675 --> 00:31:08,444.97075
Um, Joe Klecko, by the way, again, ruptures his patellar tendon in the second game, rehabs the heck out of it, and somehow returns for the playoffs because of course he does.

445
00:31:08,584.97175 --> 00:31:08,794.97175
Yeah.

446
00:31:08,814.96775 --> 00:31:13,414.97075
Um, so you're just like, "Oh, we won a game.

447
00:31:13,414.97075 --> 00:31:13,734.96575
Great.

448
00:31:13,754.96975 --> 00:31:15,124.96775
Who's next? Doesn't matter."

449
00:31:15,464.96875 --> 00:31:29,4.96675
Um, and then watching some of those highlights, which I didn't really remember that well, but Lance Mehl, very nice career as, as a Jets, you know, as a linebacker, probably top three or four easily, uh, doesn't have just one pick.

450
00:31:29,4.96975 --> 00:31:30,134.97075
He has two picks.

451
00:31:30,464.96875 --> 00:31:33,404.97075
Um, and the second one actually saved Freeman.

452
00:31:33,474.97075 --> 00:31:38,354.97175
You know, so late in that game we go up 14 to 10.

453
00:31:38,354.97175 --> 00:31:42,864.97175
Uh, Richard Todd throws this dime to Wesley Walker at the one, then, then we score on a short touchdown.

454
00:31:43,454.96675 --> 00:31:49,414.96875
And then shortly after Freeman has, I'm sure he would say, a fumble that he'd like to have back, an oh my God moment.

455
00:31:49,454.97475 --> 00:31:49,924.97475
Yeah.

456
00:31:49,994.96775 --> 00:31:56,384.96275
But the football gods come in right away with a deflection and a Lance Mehl interception and no drama, so there you go.

457
00:31:57,134.96675 --> 00:32:01,34.96375
Yep, and that sets the stage for the Mud Bowl.

458
00:32:02,348.97075 --> 00:32:06,348.97075
In that case, who were you watching with? Yeah.

459
00:32:06,488.97075 --> 00:32:12,728.96975
And what did that, experience look like on your television? Pretty sure, pretty sure Andrew and I were in my apartment for that one.

460
00:32:12,728.97075 --> 00:32:14,618.97075
That's January 23rd.

461
00:32:14,618.97075 --> 00:32:14,658.96975
Mm.

462
00:32:14,658.96975 --> 00:32:21,188.97075
Um, you know, the whole thing about the days leading up to that game, everybody knew about the weather.

463
00:32:21,188.97075 --> 00:32:24,548.96975
This wasn't a surprise, downpours for a couple of days.

464
00:32:24,898.97075 --> 00:32:31,248.96975
In reading some of the articles the other day, you know, the Miami would say, "Well, it really wasn't a team thing.

465
00:32:31,248.96975 --> 00:32:35,348.97175
The, you know, the city owns the stadium, so-" Yeah whatever.

466
00:32:35,388.96875 --> 00:32:45,798.96875
If you're a Jet fan during that week, knowing that Miami saw what Freeman McNeil did during those playoffs, they would do anything to have that field be just a full mud track.

467
00:32:45,978.96875 --> 00:32:45,998.96875
Yeah.

468
00:32:46,8.97175 --> 00:32:50,488.96875
Yes, for both teams- Right but we had the player that was the difference maker on a good field.

469
00:32:50,518.96975 --> 00:32:50,768.96975
Yeah, yeah.

470
00:32:50,768.96975 --> 00:32:51,548.97175
1,000%.

471
00:32:52,68.96875 --> 00:32:53,258.97075
Um, and that's the A.J.

472
00:32:53,258.97075 --> 00:32:53,748.97075
Dewey game.

473
00:32:53,748.97075 --> 00:32:55,268.96975
I mean, that, that's what the game is.

474
00:32:55,278.96775 --> 00:33:00,828.96875
He, Richard Todd threw five picks, but the first one was a tip ball so that, that one doesn't really count.

475
00:33:01,268.96775 --> 00:33:03,748.96775
The second one was a great play and coverage by A.J.

476
00:33:03,748.96775 --> 00:33:08,738.96675
Dewey, you know, a really good player, but it was the third one, the killer third one.

477
00:33:08,748.96775 --> 00:33:21,628.97075
It's just 7-0 at that point, early in the fourth, rushed from the left and it seems like it happens in slow motion whenever you see the highlight, 35 yard pick 6- dagger every which way you could make it possible, and that's it.

478
00:33:21,718.97175 --> 00:33:22,968.97475
You know, that's, that's the game.

479
00:33:23,338.97475 --> 00:33:31,468.96875
Um- Mm so there's, you know, there's one of the all-time dagger Jet moments, uh, that, you know, that we'll get into.

480
00:33:31,778.96975 --> 00:33:32,458.96975
Yeah.

481
00:33:32,478.97475 --> 00:33:46,518.96975
And then, from there, if you had to describe the specific flavor of Jets pain, because these were, these were some tough games, and then we'll get to some of the other stuff later on.

482
00:33:46,518.96975 --> 00:34:16,688.96975
But just, you know, if you were to, if you were to maybe early on even looking at these two seasons as well as the, the bad ones before that, what is the one ingredient that no other fan base can, know, identify with that the Jet fans, that's unique to Jets fans? Probably just that there's always gonna be this sense of you're gonna have some good, and you are going to embrace and love those moments when you have them.

483
00:34:17,298.96875 --> 00:34:29,468.96675
But you kind of know to be ready and to prepare yourself for the exact opposite in ways that you haven't seen that are still going to be created, and the Mud Bowl's a perfect example.

484
00:34:29,798.96675 --> 00:34:30,238.96375
Uh-huh.

485
00:34:30,428.96375 --> 00:34:36,68.96775
And then so you w- so th- despite that heartbreak, you're in the playoffs two years in a row.

486
00:34:36,608.96375 --> 00:34:44,908.96475
From there, how many years did you personally keep saying, "This is the year," before just- Never having more of that? Never.

487
00:34:45,58.96875 --> 00:34:45,768.96575
Okay, never.

488
00:34:45,768.96575 --> 00:34:48,518.96975
Y- y- you know, I mean, y- that was a great moment.

489
00:34:48,538.96375 --> 00:34:51,108.96575
There were a lot of good players on those two teams.

490
00:34:51,128.96775 --> 00:34:54,8.96975
It's, you know, they deserved to be close.

491
00:34:54,398.96475 --> 00:35:05,258.96875
Um, so it's not surprising when we kind of get into the next one where I think we have about a four or five-year break before the playoffs happen again, um, that, that we get back into it.

492
00:35:05,258.96875 --> 00:35:05,473.96725
All right.

493
00:35:05,473.96725 --> 00:35:17,528.96375
You just kind of get back to being a typical Jets fan and, honestly, when I think about, you know, my 12-year-old self with this team- I, I just love the passion that I had.

494
00:35:17,528.96475 --> 00:35:22,48.96575
I see, I see it in my son who, who's had it from, from a young age.

495
00:35:22,58.96475 --> 00:35:22,158.96575
Mm-hmm.

496
00:35:22,168.96475 --> 00:35:29,648.96475
And, you know, whether you're throwing a little piece of furniture at a time that's, that's needed- when you're younger, that's great.

497
00:35:29,678.96375 --> 00:35:34,48.96475
And, you know, Andrew would tell you the same thing, you know, as the fandom, and that's all part of it.

498
00:35:34,78.96275 --> 00:35:39,338.96375
And like now, the emotions of the team, you follow it in a different way.

499
00:35:39,368.96175 --> 00:35:40,918.96375
It, you feel it just as much.

500
00:35:40,948.96375 --> 00:35:43,818.96475
Maybe you react a little bit differently, a little bit more mature.

501
00:35:43,918.96475 --> 00:35:44,168.96475
Yeah.

502
00:35:44,198.96375 --> 00:35:46,598.96475
But, um, no, no regrets.

503
00:35:46,828.96475 --> 00:35:52,998.96475
The way it all happened, the highs and mostly the lows, but that's, that's just part of this, this team.

504
00:35:53,18.96375 --> 00:35:53,878.96375
Maybe one day.

505
00:35:54,718.96475 --> 00:35:55,318.96475
Excellent.

506
00:35:55,318.96475 --> 00:35:58,528.96375
So that's where we'll pick it up for part two.

507
00:35:58,538.96375 --> 00:35:58,568.96375
Okay.

508
00:35:58,718.96475 --> 00:36:02,298.96775
Because, trust me, everyone, it does not get easier from here.

509
00:36:02,328.96675 --> 00:36:02,698.96675
No.

510
00:36:03,108.96575 --> 00:36:09,218.96575
But for now, the Jets' history, part one, '81 and '82, has gone final.

511
00:36:09,678.96575 --> 00:36:14,618.96175
We'll move to the lightning round- Yeah where we'll do a faster one today.

512
00:36:14,658.96175 --> 00:36:14,728.96175
Yes.

513
00:36:15,118.96075 --> 00:36:25,538.95875
Just looking at Wimbledon as this tournament comes to an end, this, this weekend actually of the recording.

514
00:36:26,268.96175 --> 00:36:26,678.96175
Yeah.

515
00:36:26,698.96175 --> 00:36:28,868.95875
So just on the women for a second.

516
00:36:28,898.95875 --> 00:36:38,538.96475
Uh, for anybody that didn't see the tiebreaker in the semis between Karolína Muchová and Coco Gauff, you can easily find it on YouTube.

517
00:36:38,538.96475 --> 00:36:39,638.95775
It's about 20 minutes.

518
00:36:39,918.96375 --> 00:36:40,478.96375
Wow.

519
00:36:40,608.95875 --> 00:36:42,598.95775
Um, it ended up being 11-9.

520
00:36:42,608.95875 --> 00:36:53,408.96075
I won't try to describe it all, but I will say, since I actually saw it live, incredible highs, high level tennis, some absolutely heartbreaking lows on both sides.

521
00:36:53,788.95875 --> 00:37:03,946.96375
Um, and literally both players right at the end Thought they kind of had it before it ended up being 11-9.

522
00:37:03,946.96375 --> 00:37:05,306.96375
So I can't recommend it enough.

523
00:37:05,326.96375 --> 00:37:12,786.96375
And Coco was so thoughtful and was able to calm down after and, and talk and be reflective.

524
00:37:12,956.96375 --> 00:37:15,386.96275
I, it- And, and this is the furthest she's gotten in Wimbledon.

525
00:37:15,666.96375 --> 00:37:18,663.62975
This is gonna be a good thing for her long career and all that.

526
00:37:18,663.62975 --> 00:37:18,886.96275
Okay.

527
00:37:18,886.96275 --> 00:37:19,836.96275
So it's interesting.

528
00:37:19,836.96375 --> 00:37:25,756.96275
I was gonna ask/comment that I thought her, her press conference was almost...

529
00:37:25,976.96375 --> 00:37:32,956.96375
almost too mature in my book, in, in the sense of, like, just not expressing how frustrating it must be.

530
00:37:32,956.96375 --> 00:37:38,636.96275
She was like, "Most people would kill to get to the semifinals and, of Wimbledon and have a match point."

531
00:37:38,636.96475 --> 00:37:42,306.96575
Well, I think she probably was saying, "Okay, deep breath."

532
00:37:42,356.96375 --> 00:37:42,566.96375
Yes.

533
00:37:42,566.96375 --> 00:37:43,906.96275
"Let me talk effectively.

534
00:37:43,946.96375 --> 00:37:48,199.6940227
And then I got, I got a bunch of weeks-" Right, right, right you know, before the Open to kind of process what happened."

535
00:37:48,199.6940227 --> 00:37:51,666.96175
'Cause it couldn't have been that fun, um- Yeah or, or, or easy.

536
00:37:51,686.96575 --> 00:37:52,206.96375
But yeah, no.

537
00:37:52,206.96375 --> 00:37:52,541.96325
No, no.

538
00:37:52,541.96325 --> 00:38:01,526.96575
Go, go look at, go look at the drop shot, you know, when you get to the, um, when you get to right towards the end of that tie break and how she's gonna be p- playing that point in her mind, you know, often.

539
00:38:01,706.96575 --> 00:38:01,966.96475
Yep, yep, yep.

540
00:38:01,966.96475 --> 00:38:07,946.96475
Uh, in terms of the final, by the way, which is actually going on and probably just went final as, as we're talking.

541
00:38:07,996.96375 --> 00:38:08,326.96375
Yeah.

542
00:38:08,376.96075 --> 00:38:10,106.96775
But an all Czech final.

543
00:38:10,146.96475 --> 00:38:11,556.96775
Yeah, I couldn't resist that one.

544
00:38:11,896.96475 --> 00:38:18,406.96475
Um, Linda Nosková- Uh-huh and Muchová, um, nine and 10 seeds.

545
00:38:18,476.96675 --> 00:38:23,766.96575
Muchová was 1-0 heading into that tournament, um, the match up head-to-head.

546
00:38:24,166.96175 --> 00:38:28,66.96075
24 Olympics doubles teammates, and neither has won a major.

547
00:38:28,756.96575 --> 00:38:33,826.96475
And also, this is the first time since the '17 Open that two women from the same country were in a major final.

548
00:38:34,136.96275 --> 00:38:34,306.96275
Hmm.

549
00:38:34,346.96175 --> 00:38:38,946.96475
Um, and it looked like Nosková, you know, had won the first set easily.

550
00:38:38,946.96475 --> 00:38:42,256.96075
I think was up 5-3 when I took a look, but that is still going on.

551
00:38:42,526.96175 --> 00:38:43,816.96275
And just one thing on Serena.

552
00:38:43,816.96275 --> 00:38:49,956.96075
Of course, we talked about last time, I was really looking forward to kind of watching, uh, you know, her, the comeback in, in this tournament.

553
00:38:50,286.96375 --> 00:38:51,626.95575
The knee didn't work out.

554
00:38:51,626.96775 --> 00:39:01,666.96475
So we'll keep an eye on her knee as we keep, creep closer to the US Open and hope that she's in position to, you know, hopefully play, get invited, hopefully play both singles a- and doubles.

555
00:39:01,676.96475 --> 00:39:04,226.96775
Yes, yes, a kind of quick exit for her.

556
00:39:04,226.96775 --> 00:39:08,946.97075
And the men, we get, a, a pretty fantastic match up- Yeah tomorrow for Breakfast at Wimbledon.

557
00:39:08,946.97475 --> 00:39:13,656.96575
Sinner, Zverev, um, almost playing to form here.

558
00:39:14,156.96575 --> 00:39:26,836.96475
Going to, going to play each other after, Djokovic, it, it should be noted making it to the semi-fricking finals at age 39.

559
00:39:26,846.95375 --> 00:39:31,596.96075
Sinner, a little bit too much for him, but oh my God, that guy is just a machine.

560
00:39:31,596.96075 --> 00:39:35,642.96275
So- Just ju- ju- truly, truly amazing.

561
00:39:36,112.96275 --> 00:39:40,762.96175
But tomorrow, I think tomorrow's final should be, should be great.

562
00:39:41,12.96275 --> 00:39:53,902.96275
No matter which way it ends, we will have an American men's drought of 23 years- Yeah and counting after, uh, Taylor Fritz, who made it the farthest for us, um, exited in, in, in the semifinals.

563
00:39:54,282.96275 --> 00:39:54,602.96275
Yeah.

564
00:39:54,622.96175 --> 00:39:59,862.96175
I mean, it, it feels like just a minute ago where, Pete Sampras was, was the man.

565
00:39:59,862.96175 --> 00:40:01,232.96275
And how time flies.

566
00:40:01,362.96175 --> 00:40:02,892.96275
23 years, my goodness.

567
00:40:02,902.96275 --> 00:40:11,302.96075
I will say it's been fun having, you know, Andy Roddick come back and do the analysis, and he's got his own, you know, podcast, which is tennis heavy.

568
00:40:11,312.96275 --> 00:40:11,352.96375
Uh-huh.

569
00:40:11,362.96175 --> 00:40:11,552.96075
Mm-hmm.

570
00:40:11,662.96175 --> 00:40:19,572.96275
And, uh, it just seems like he's gonna be him and, you know, getting to the, the whys as to how things are happening on the court.

571
00:40:19,572.96275 --> 00:40:27,502.96275
So he's really a tennis savant, and we'll see more- Nice of Andy Roddick as we head into the Open also All right, so we got a PS.

572
00:40:27,522.96275 --> 00:40:34,472.96275
You were up this week, and I think the topic was mistakes that tourists make when they come to New York.

573
00:40:35,222.96275 --> 00:40:39,32.96275
So who's, who's starting off? Yeah, I thought, you know, we- we're, we're both natives.

574
00:40:39,62.96275 --> 00:40:39,182.96275
Yeah.

575
00:40:39,212.96275 --> 00:40:47,192.96275
We've been there for some time, so, you know, a couple, things that we could potentially guide away from the mistakes.

576
00:40:47,242.96275 --> 00:40:50,402.96375
Look, number one, it's not close.

577
00:40:50,812.96275 --> 00:40:56,132.96075
The first piece of advice, uh, Times Square is not for you.

578
00:40:56,422.95975 --> 00:41:04,222.96075
Uh, of course, if you're seeing a Broadway show, we'll allow it, but other than that, I don't even care if you got your kids with you.

579
00:41:04,502.96075 --> 00:41:23,702.96175
It is a mess, it is overcrowded, it is claustrophobic, and it is, surrounded by, people dressed up in, in superhero costumes who will pretend that they're gonna take a picture with you and your kid, and then hold you hostage if you do not tip them well.

580
00:41:23,902.96275 --> 00:41:27,952.96175
It's even weirder when Minnie Mouse is doing the hostage taking.

581
00:41:28,272.95775 --> 00:41:30,212.95775
So, um, yeah.

582
00:41:30,252.96075 --> 00:41:31,132.95575
Can I- Stay away.

583
00:41:31,182.96175 --> 00:41:37,912.95875
Can I just jump in on that one since I have a, a, an, a, a take that's sort of similar, but just one very specific thing.

584
00:41:38,312.95875 --> 00:41:43,542.95875
Let's say you really are going to Times Square because you're seeing a show.

585
00:41:43,542.96175 --> 00:41:44,912.95875
You wanna take your pictures.

586
00:41:44,962.95875 --> 00:41:45,642.96275
Here's a tip.

587
00:41:46,382.96475 --> 00:41:50,682.96375
Don't get off or get on the Times Square subway stop.

588
00:41:50,732.96375 --> 00:41:50,922.96375
Yeah.

589
00:41:50,962.95875 --> 00:41:56,672.95975
It is- 50th it is annoying, it is crowded, it is stressful walking those two blocks.

590
00:41:56,942.96275 --> 00:41:59,482.96075
Just go one stop north- Yeah on the local.

591
00:41:59,482.96375 --> 00:42:00,972.95775
There's many subway lines.

592
00:42:01,92.96375 --> 00:42:07,632.95925
You can get c- as close to 47th Street and use that as your entry and exit way for Times Square.

593
00:42:07,632.95925 --> 00:42:10,752.95775
That's a good, that's a good tip, and most people don't know about it.

594
00:42:10,752.95975 --> 00:42:15,892.96375
Now, it's still busy up there, but it's still, but on a relative basis- Yeah that, that's, that's a good one.

595
00:42:16,2.95975 --> 00:42:20,442.96475
Yeah, no- So good, good job by you on that tip no scary characters on 47th or 48th Street.

596
00:42:20,472.96175 --> 00:42:31,262.96475
My next tip is regarding Central Park, which everyone should go see because Central Park is amazing and one of my favorite parts of New York City.

597
00:42:31,282.95975 --> 00:42:47,612.96475
The tip is unless you have a specific reason, one reason could be the zoo, another reason could be Wollman Rink, um, but unless you have a specific reason like that, try to get as north as possible.

598
00:42:47,622.95575 --> 00:42:47,632.95575
Ah.

599
00:42:47,722.96175 --> 00:42:53,22.95075
Because the 60s are just, on a weekend, so packed.

600
00:42:53,252.96075 --> 00:42:56,382.96275
70s, fairly packed as well.

601
00:42:56,952.95775 --> 00:43:05,202.95675
Uh, 80s, you finally start getting past the meadow and then the- Mm-hmm softball fields, and things start loosening up a little bit.

602
00:43:06,6.96675 --> 00:43:10,248.96675
Uh, but then the '90s and up You're in.

603
00:43:10,668.96675 --> 00:43:11,798.96675
It's beautiful.

604
00:43:12,108.96675 --> 00:43:15,528.96675
Uh, you've, you've shed 85% of the people.

605
00:43:15,578.96675 --> 00:43:18,998.96675
Spend some time up there, especially if you were just going for like a picnic or something.

606
00:43:19,18.96675 --> 00:43:21,328.96675
Yeah, so the park was my second one as well.

607
00:43:21,338.96675 --> 00:43:25,208.96575
A little bit of a more general comment, but I, I understand everything that you said.

608
00:43:25,878.96575 --> 00:43:28,318.96575
My thing is just, just build plenty of time.

609
00:43:28,548.96575 --> 00:43:32,828.96575
Uh, I recommend two experiences when you're in the park, so do it separately.

610
00:43:32,908.96675 --> 00:43:48,638.96575
Have a biking experience where you can kind of jump to lots of places and, and see different things and, and stop and chill, but then also have a walking experience and, and make those separate because the park is, is doing better than ever.

611
00:43:48,668.96475 --> 00:43:57,318.96175
You know, I do a walk around the park pretty regularly on the weekends, and I was there in April, and all of a sudden these cherry blossoms are all over the place.

612
00:43:57,348.96275 --> 00:44:00,848.96375
So no, you don't need to go to Washington, DC to see the cherry blossoms.

613
00:44:01,228.96375 --> 00:44:03,308.96375
Um, but that's just a tiny example.

614
00:44:03,338.96075 --> 00:44:07,818.96275
So I would just say take your time, don't rush, build in time for the park.

615
00:44:08,708.96375 --> 00:44:09,498.96375
Super.

616
00:44:09,958.96375 --> 00:44:13,508.96275
Um, yeah, so I mean, those were, those were my stay aways.

617
00:44:13,508.96275 --> 00:44:13,798.96075
I, I...

618
00:44:13,858.96475 --> 00:44:22,148.95575
The only thing I could think about for my third tip wasn't a tip, but it was a bit from David Letterman who, used to film at the Ed Sullivan Theater- Yeah.

619
00:44:22,148.95575 --> 00:44:27,248.96075
Yeah uh, which is kind of a little above Times Square, let's call it.

620
00:44:27,288.95875 --> 00:44:27,468.95875
Yeah.

621
00:44:27,488.95575 --> 00:44:29,68.95875
Um, a little north of there.

622
00:44:29,568.95775 --> 00:44:37,898.96075
Uh, there was a bit he did one time where he opened a window and he took out a, a bullhorn and he said, "Attention tourists, the city is now closed."

623
00:44:37,898.96075 --> 00:44:38,218.95775
Love that.

624
00:44:38,578.95975 --> 00:44:41,368.96175
Please return to your hotel rooms immediately.

625
00:44:41,708.95675 --> 00:44:44,338.95975
You will be notified upon its reopening."

626
00:44:44,438.95975 --> 00:44:53,808.95475
That's just made me laugh, so that's not so much of as a, as a tip- You know- but just sort of reinforcing the, uh, the Times Square madness a little bit.

627
00:44:53,888.95675 --> 00:44:56,428.95675
Whenever I hear that I always think of, Chevy Chase.

628
00:44:56,428.95675 --> 00:44:57,158.95975
"Sorry, folks.

629
00:44:57,158.95975 --> 00:44:57,938.95475
The park's closed.

630
00:44:57,938.95875 --> 00:45:01,438.95475
The moose outside should've told you," which is one of my favorite lines.

631
00:45:01,488.95875 --> 00:45:04,578.96075
Vacation one other thing, one other tip, Metro North.

632
00:45:04,668.95875 --> 00:45:12,548.95275
So this is something that maybe people don't know about, but Metro North, the trains that kind of go to Westchester and Connecticut, they're really clean.

633
00:45:12,708.95175 --> 00:45:15,908.96475
You start out in Grand Central, which is wonderful to see anyway.

634
00:45:16,208.95175 --> 00:45:19,748.95875
Um, light heights, pretty towns along the Hudson River.

635
00:45:19,828.96275 --> 00:45:29,248.95275
So if you're gonna do a day trip, I highly recommend spending a little bit of time and doing a little Metro North research because it's pretty easy and nice to get out of the city and explore.

636
00:45:29,248.95275 --> 00:45:35,668.95675
Okay, so to frame it for the theme- Yeah don't not take Metro North- No, no, 100% because it's out of the city.

637
00:45:35,928.95375 --> 00:45:40,408.96175
There's some great stuff there accessible through lovely Grand Central Station, mind you.

638
00:45:40,498.96075 --> 00:45:40,718.96075
Yeah.

639
00:45:40,718.96075 --> 00:45:43,318.95575
It's, uh, but just- Can't go wrong abso- absolutely beautiful.

640
00:45:43,628.95075 --> 00:45:52,228.94975
Um, while you're there you can talk into the corner of one of the sides of the station and your friend can hear you all the way across- Yeah the way on the other corner.

641
00:45:52,228.94975 --> 00:45:52,258.95075
Yeah, yeah.

642
00:45:52,548.96375 --> 00:45:53,478.96075
Fun facts like that.

643
00:45:53,518.94975 --> 00:45:54,28.95975
Yeah, absolutely.

644
00:45:54,28.95975 --> 00:45:55,98.95575
Um, yeah.

645
00:45:55,728.95675 --> 00:45:56,158.95475
All right.

646
00:45:56,158.96475 --> 00:45:56,478.96475
Great.

647
00:45:57,98.95175 --> 00:46:01,608.96075
Well, with that, that's it for today Thank you for listening.

648
00:46:02,168.96075 --> 00:46:04,418.96075
Until the next time, I'm Peter Olchowy.

649
00:46:05,58.96075 --> 00:46:06,238.96075
And I'm Scott Greenhut.

650
00:46:06,268.96175 --> 00:46:13,168.96075
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651
00:46:13,578.96075 --> 00:46:18,458.96075
Until next time, Peter and I are gonna put this episode in the books