S&P’s Why Not Us?!: Episode #8

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All right, so we're working off of a few, a few handicaps today.

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Um, the first hand, I, I left our podcasting equipment up at, uh, my other place, so we are, we're makeshifting.

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We're not gonna get into the whole one mic thing, right? We're not making that a thing.

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I don't think we should keep it in the episode we're also makeshifting on, my intro line because you wanna hear what my intro line was gonna be? Yeah.

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Yeah, of course.

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I had this ready to go.

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Yes.

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Until very recently it was gonna be, "Welcome to S&P's Why Not Us?, the podcast that trusts soccer's VAR more than it trusts LeBron to make a decision."

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Oh, I see what you did there.

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It was good.

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I liked it.

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I- Yeah.

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He ruined it again.

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I get it.

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Classic LeBron, just screwing up my intro, screwing up the NBA schedule with Adam Silver because he took so long.

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And, you know, heading a city I don't love that much.

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But, uh, what, what- LeBron also forced me to adjust, my intro with the caveat, so we both kind of had a little fun with that.

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Right.

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And so with that in mind, screw that guy, I'm gonna use him anyway in the intro.

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So let's go.

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Welcome to S&P's Why Not Us?, the podcast that's not backing down from the new-look Sixers, King and all.

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I'm your host, Scott Greenhut, and on the other side of the mic, that's very close to both of us right now, my good friend Peter Olczyk.

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Indeed, indeed.

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Great to be here.

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Yep, looking forward to even more LeBron conversation a little bit later.

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But let's get to actually a pretty packed episode today.

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Yeah.

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So in today's episode, we'll take a look at teams that should be active in a unique and tricky MLB trade deadline, get back on our high horse to make the Hall of Fame case for Keith Hernandez, discuss some storylines as NFL training camps open their doors, and continue our Jets Look Back summer series with a playoff game I had mostly browned out- likely for the better, until recently.

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But we begin with final thoughts on the World Cup.

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Okay, so it's been about a week since, since we went final on the World Cup.

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Just a couple of things to start.

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Yeah.

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The, you know, as we've read a lot about and, and heard, certainly the game was control over chaos.

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It was a possession clinic for Spain.

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For me, they kind of just took the air out of the soccer ball.

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Um, you know, there was that one waning moment, if you will, in the 117th minute where, of course, Argentina's down 1-0, where they went down about 11 minutes before that.

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Yeah, and they decided to actually, um, push.

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And Messi finally has a look.

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Yeah.

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But it's immediately blocked, as I recall, in the f- in the face by the midfielder, Mikel Merino.

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And that was sort of it.

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You know, that, that, that was kind of the, the one opportunity since they didn't really have a shot on goal at, at that point.

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Um, but in terms also of the game, you know, on the Argentina side, it was fun to watch the goalkeeper, Emiliano Martinez, with his 11 saves, and the most in a World Cup final.

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He was great, and that at least made a little bit of the drama towards the end.

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Yeah.

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I, I guess I'm just gonna take a step back and, and give a few perspectives on- Yeah on the World Cup overall.

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It was a massive endeavor because of the expanded team, 48 teams, 104 matches, three co-host nations.

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And really, if you're a fan of soccer, it gave you a lot, right? Like, the host city report card, Seattle rock, Kansas City shown, uh, Meadowlands even worked, and then the games in Mexico, fairly epic.

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Watch parties around, America just considered a universal success.

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Cinderella story in the Cape Verde run.

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Uh, uh, a runner-up game that saw a record of number of goals.

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Uh, decent showing by, by the US, and Andres Cantor's, uh, goal call for the second Argentinian goal against- Oh, I, I'll listen to that against England rather.

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Um, it is...

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I can't believe you haven't listened to it Uh, it is amazing and lives up to his, his, uh, reputation and then some.

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Can I just say on that, since you mentioned it, that I did hear that people who listened to the, uh, the runner-up game- Yeah where there were, I think, 10 goals- 10 goals 6-4.

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6-4, yeah.

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That listening to him in that game- that has actually been on my list because they said that they can't believe he still had any sort of a voice by the end of that.

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I, I watched a few World Cup games in Spanish with some folks who- Yeah prefer just that call in general.

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And then, lastly, there was Messi who, at age 39, notwithstanding the final game, just had a, had an epic tournament.

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You know, again, if you're, if you're a fan of soccer, wow, the stars aligned.

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And yet- If I may quote loosely the coach Dennis Green from the other football- our relationship with soccer is what we thought it is.

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Okay, this is already fading fast from memory, and it'll be even faster now that LeBron has taken his talents to Philadelphia.

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We've discussed the final a little bit already, won't do that again.

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The diving, as bad as it's ever been.

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Then you have this VAR system which caused ridiculous delays tied to an offsides rule that I felt like even the, the aficionados were a little confused by at times.

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Although that was the best part of, of the VAR.

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Yeah, looks like it's real, but you know what wasn't a good part? People celebrating like crazy, both fans and players, only to later see a flag go up and just have their heart ripped from their chest, just one other thing on the, sort of on the VAR.

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The smart ball, which I thought was actually pretty interesting, where earlier in the tournament it actually did- connect with hair and it, and it said that, you know, no goal because hair was contacted.

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Yeah, hair's part of the body.

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But somehow the smart ball, when it went up towards the top with the wires, it did not make that connection even though the ball came straight down, and that was a moment.

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So I did like the idea of the smart ball, but maybe it wasn't quite as smart as it, as it could've been.

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Um, so I guess with all this in mind, thanks for the, for the memories and, uh, we'll see what happens in, in four more years, right? Entertaining.

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I just, I just don't see it as a, a United States, uh, phenomenon.

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Let me just...

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One final thing that I, that just left me from the tournament.

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So Norway, first of all, the synchronized rowing fans and the fandom, that was an instant classic.

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That was spectacular.

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I cannot get those guys out of my head.

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Fandom was huge.

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Uh, Scotland out-drinking Boston? Come on now.

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But the...

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So those fans in particular and just that wave in the crowd, perfect.

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And then of course, on the players' side there, the full Erling Haaland experience, both amazing on the field and off.

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Putting the cowboy hat on, just really embracing America, which got me thinking a little bit in terms of spinning it forward.

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He is only 26 years old.

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So just a question, and again, I am not the soccer aficionado here like, like yourself, but could he be the one to actually come over to MLS sooner rather than later as a final act? Because it feels like it's a good fit, and I just wonder, unlike Messi coming in late to Miami and that being great, if a really good up-and-coming European player somehow, and if the money was there, of course, to make that happen, I wonder a little bit if that could actually help growth MLS, that kind of thing, 'cause we know it's not really gonna happen from the US players' side of things, at least in the short term.

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Just- Yeah one and a half cents on that.

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Okay.

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I'd say it would be interesting, but, but it just would take so much more than that in my opinion.

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Uh, it's so dominant abroad, and there's the, all the, all the good players are there.

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But if he does come over, I, I'd like, I'd like a quarter.

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W- w- all right.

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Well, well, fine.

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We'll, we'll, we'll agree, we'll agree on that.

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All right.

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Moving to the diamond- the trade deadline we're, we're tick-tock on the clock.

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We were gonna discuss a couple of, uh, candidates that, that might be on the move.

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Yeah.

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Or teams that might be thinking about making moves.

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Y- you can start.

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Yeah.

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So the trade deadline is particularly tricky, as I said at the top.

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Right now, there's only six or seven teams that are really out of a wild card race, kind of three or four in the AL, three in the NL, which makes, with so many potential, um, buyers and some question marks and just a few sellers, complicated.

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That said, a few teams.

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The Chicago White Sox, who I just kind of want to wish cast into the playoffs at this point.

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You know, totally ahead of schedule.

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But what a fun season they've been having.

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They're in first place right now, three and a half up on Cleveland in the division, and about the same in the wild card.

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What do they need? Like, you know, most teams, starting pitcher or relief pitcher.

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Yeah.

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Maybe a veteran catcher.

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Yeah.

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They have a big injury right now with Kyle Teal, who has come on, who's got a, got a high ankle sprain So here's a player whose name seems to come up every year this time of year, Sandy Alcantara of the Marlins.

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Under control still for 27, a 28 team option.

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Miami, about 10 days ago, was actually very strong in the wildcard picture.

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You know, right now they have fallen on harder times.

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They're 500.

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They're three back in the wildcard.

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That would take a lot, um, for that to happen.

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But I just wonder, in terms of whether it's him or whether it's another pitcher that's maybe more of a rental, I'd love to see the White Sox kind of do a little something, 'cause they have young pitching that's gonna run under innings limits, and it would be great to kind of continue this momentum during the year.

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Yeah.

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Uh, well, on Boston, so let's talk about the BoSox.

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Now, here's a good stat.

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On June 16th, they were 32 and 46.

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They had a 5.6%

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playoff probability.

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Uh, per Tom Verducci, who is, you know, I like to mention a lot on the pod.

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Yes.

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Of the 473 teams with a record that bad after 78 games, zero have made the playoffs.

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Hmm.

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Well, I think we're gonna see a difference this year.

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Boston is in pretty good shape, solidly in the, uh, third wildcard right now, and actually not even out of the division, um, at this point.

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Yeah.

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What do they need? Uh, they really need a right-handed power hitter, particularly at shortstop.

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Right.

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Trevor Story, uh, has been injured most, you know, actually for the last month or so with a sports hernia, TBD on August.

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A name and a team that typically doesn't make a move at this point, but Zach Netto.

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Yep.

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Shortstop for the Angels.

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Uh, he's having a very good year with pop.

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Big pros- you know, pretty solid prospect coming up.

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It would require a big haul.

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Um, in terms of what Boston has, they do have their former overall number four pick, Marcelo Mayers.

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He's been up and down, had some injuries, but certainly talented.

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So it wouldn't surprise me this year if the Angels actually, um, consider moves like that, and just, just to name a player.

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Yep.

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I had him down as well, and I guess, uh, the only other...

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We didn't talk about Hunter Green yet, right? Hunter Green, we have not.

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Yeah.

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Well, Hunter Green, the Reds buried in last place in the NL Central, looking to sell, open to moving him, so I hear.

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That might be the biggest name of them all if, if, if the, uh, baseball gods on both sides- Yeah were able to figure that one out.

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Yeah.

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So we'll see.

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You sound skeptical.

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That's cool.

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I do, only because- It just seems like it would require so much to make that marriage happen.

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But you know what? That's why I said it's a tricky deadline, so we'll see.

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And here's a name before we get into some more Mets stuff in a minute.

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How about Luis Robert Jr.-

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Yeah uh, who is back for the Mets, um, from the back injury.

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Has hit two out in the last few days.

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Is being showcased, of course, pretty aggressively.

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$20 million club option for next year with just a two million buyout, so the money doesn't seem much.

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You know, in terms of Mets-Phillies and that rivalry, if they provide the best offer, it wouldn't shock me if there was a fit there.

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It would be interesting and compelling, but just to put a name out there for Philly, 'cause they're always looking for right-handed bats, it seems like, this time of year.

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You know what? More power to them.

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We shall see.

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Yes.

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We shall see.

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All right.

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So now we turn to Keith Hernandez.

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And a little bit of context here.

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Ahead of the upcoming August 1st 40th celebration for the 1986 World Series team, which should be great, at Citi Field, that might be the highlight of this summer actually with the way things are going, uh, we thought it'd be a fun time to talk about Keith's Hall of Fame case.

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This is your favorite player.

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Uh, the case is strong.

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You know, Hall of Fame inductions also happening this weekend up in Cooperstown.

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Yes, tomorrow.

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Couldn't be more timely.

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Yes, Keith Hernandez, my favorite, uh, Met- Of all time, which therefore makes him my favorite baseball player of all time.

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For me, it's just the no-brainer of no-brainer locks to put this man in the Hall of Fame, let's start here with some offense.

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So WRC+ is a stat, w- it's basically weighted runs created plus.

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Yeah.

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It just looks at everything that you do from a hitting standpoint, power, walks, average, everything.

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It adjusts for ballpark and league scoring environment.

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100 is baseline.

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His career number for that statistic, 131.

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Um for reference, George Brett, kind of a good player, 132.

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Uh, s- Tony Perez right there- Yeah at, at the same number.

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So from, We're gonna get to his fielding in a second.

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Yeah.

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But from a hitting perspective, um, he is extremely solid.

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Also, from a smell test perspective, having watched the guy every at bat, you know, he took as a New York Met practically, there was no one I wanted to come up more in a, in an important situation.

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It wasn't only because I, I, I liked him, but it just, it just always felt like he had the best chance of doing a smart thing with the bat, doing what he had to do to move the runners over, get the clutch hit.

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So I'm gonna take a pause there- Okay because we wanna get to the fielding, which is his more key stuff.

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But on the hitting alone, quite the resume.

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Absolutely.

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Before we get into the defense, just a little bit more context for, for folks in terms of actually what would happen in terms of his, uh, you know, the Hall of Fame process.

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So there's something called the Contemporary Baseball Era Player Committee- Yeah which meets every few years.

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So there are these rotating committees, which is typically a good thing to, to relook at candidates, you know, after they were on writers' ballots.

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So you need 75% of votes.

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16 players actually get selected for these com- you know, for these ballots.

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Now, in 2025, Jeff Kent was one of those players.

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These are, uh, these are for players that made their cont- uh, their primary contributions to the game since 1980, and Jeff Kent's going to, uh, go into the Hall tomorrow.

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Now, Keith was not on the, uh, this most recent one.

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However, there's a really good case for him to be on the next one.

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Who makes up these committees? Generally, it's this most recent time was seven Hall of Fame players, six MLB execs, and then three media members and historians.

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So those are the 16 kind of votes.

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Now I'm thinking the big thing is just to get him into the room because as we start to talk about the defense, and I, I can, I can start on that, that's where I think the conversation is gonna get really interesting.

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So here's a stat.

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Keith Hernandez is the only first baseman to have a defensive WAR, which is actually positive of, of all the first baseman that are in the Hall of Fame right now.

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The median is negative 11.6,

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and that's actually compared with other positions, so that sort of works in, you know, folks that are center fielders, players that play up the middle, that kind of thing.

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Taking it, sort of zooming out a little bit, what he did was, was he transformed the position.

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You know, before Keith, more typically hulking sluggers with a glove most likely would be at first base.

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He was a weapon in the field, and I'll get into a few things, and you can jump in, but where did he shine? His range was a wow.

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He had an insanely accurate arm.

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He made the 3-6-3 double play back to first easy, like clockwork.

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And then of course, he had the signature bunt charge in.

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You know, past the mound, throw it to third base, and then that would be the 3-5-4 double play sometimes when the second baseman would be covering first.

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So he made these kinds of things normal, in addition to just charging in by the mound and throwing a dart to second base on a force.

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This is the type of conversation that I think the room is going to have, and I'll just finish with one more point.

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I was thinking there was a basketball analogy in terms of transforming the position, and it's Steph Curry.

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Steph and the three-point shot, he kind of changed what the three was, not just from shooting farther back, but also being able to get his own shot off, off the dribble, that kind of thing.

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I feel like that's what Keith did at first base, and there really aren't too many comps, if any, that that's similar to.

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So I'll pause there and jump in more whenever you- Yeah.

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First of all, great points, and I love the comp to Steph Curry.

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That's, uh, that's the kind of, kind of company that I'm looking for here.

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Um, listen, uh, we talked a l- some of the defensive stats.

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How about just go into the basics? 11 Gold Gloves- Yeah of the seven position players ever to have 11 or more.

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Keith's the only one not in the Hall.

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How about you gave the war stat that...

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I looked it up.

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There's an equivalent stat- Yeah that Baseball Reference puts together called, uh, B-WAR.

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So it, they, they did it a kind of l- a little differently.

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He's at 60.3,

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which all you need to know is the most of any eligible first baseman not tri- not tied to PED allegations who already isn't enshrined.

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So, so he has that.

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There's also, um, a, uh, a publication.

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You may have heard of it.

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It is called Yard Barker? Yeah.

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It's a, uh, USA Today-owned property.

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Yeah.

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Um, they like to make lists.

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One of their lists is the 10 most egregious MLB Hall of Fame snubs by position.

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Ah, love it.

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Keith Hernandez is the first baseman pick for that lineup.

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And let's just throw in a couple last things.

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One MVP, two World Series and just the clear captain of the New York Mets when they won their '86 title.

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I would say, besides Gary Carter, uh Keith Hernandez probably called more pitches on that team than anyone else, including Mel Stottlemyre.

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Yeah.

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He was the guy that went in to, to the mound during the huddles and told Jesse Orosco, "The next pitch is gonna be a curve ball or I'm gonna kill you."

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Yeah things along those lines.

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Kevin Bass, Game 6, uh, epic in the NLCS.

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100%.

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I mean, it just, it's just the, the...

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You know, I always had a feeling that he belonged to be there, but doing the homework for this assignment, I'm more dialed up than I've ever been.

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And he also had MVP votes each year from 1980 through 1986.

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So you put all of that content together, and the case from 1980 on really couldn't be more compelling, and 1000% on the leadership point that you sort of eloquently just, just talked about Yeah, so here's hoping.

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Um, you know, I'm glad you brought up the, uh, the, the new mechanism that, that gives him a shot, and, uh- December 2028 is when, uh- Okay this will sort of be the, uh, the topic.

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Great.

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So let's go number 17.

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Um, with that, we will transition over, um, to the NFL.

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Yeah.

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We're gonna do a couple training camp storylines, and then, uh, go into part two of a, of an ongoing segment.

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Yeah.

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But let's just start with, some of the, headlines that have grabbed your attention.

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So training camp has just kind of kicked off here.

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A couple of things to start.

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Minnesota, the, the quarterback competition, and it truly does seem to be an actual competition.

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Not everybody thought that would be the case.

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But Kyler Murray and J.J.

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McCarthy, um, Kyler Murray comes over, uh, as sort of one of the, you know, bigger deals during the season.

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Um, J.J.

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McCarthy, tough year last year, but I think everything would just happened very quickly for him.

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So for Kevin, um, for Kevin O'Connell to actually not name an actual quarterback right now, that probably gives both players a little bit of just- calm and being able to do reps throughout the entire pre-season without, um, with just giving him more flexibility.

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I would assume that Kyler Murray, uh, will be named, you know, somewhat sooner rather than later as we head towards the end of the pre-season.

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It'll be interesting to watch.

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Of course, also the other part to that is Justin Jefferson, uh, who, you know, was just sort of selected in the, um, in the annual execs, coaches, and scouts survey as, as number two, and I'm sure in his mind and for a lot of other people's mind he'd be number one.

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So a lot of motivation for Justin Jefferson this year.

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Uh, the other team, San Diego.

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So there's a new offensive coordinator quarterback combination there.

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Mike McDaniel comes over.

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And of course last year San Diego had a pretty beaten up offensive line.

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Joe Alt, who's a star, uh, was, you know, in and out of the lineup.

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So I'm curious to see how that partnership goes, and who would've believed that San Diego has no playoff wins in their first six years.

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That seems like an anomaly to me.

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Uh, so I, I'm looking at the Rams.

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I mean, Miles Garrett to the Rams? They talk about upgrading defense, and they also landed Trent McDuffie and Jalen Waddell in free agency.

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So they have basically built a Super Bowl-ready defense in one off-season.

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And then on the flip side, Cleveland fans probably, not that happy about this.

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I mean, it's, it's, it's the guy, the all-time sack leader, uh, for one season at least is, is, is, is gone.

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That franchise just can't get out of its own way.

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Yeah, I mean, we'll, we'll of course we'll get to that franchise in, in, in a minute.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, but he, he gave everything to that team, so I think his place and in terms of, you know, number being retired and all things that will happen afterwards is, is well, is, you know, well set.

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Yes.

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So let's segue, um, into, into talking about Cleveland, but we're really not talking about Cleveland.

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We're really talking about your New York Jets.

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Yeah.

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Um, last week, or rather two weeks ago during our last pod, we explored, uh, part one of your Jets fandom, where we looked at the first time, uh, the Jets made it into the playoffs.

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I believe that was 1982.

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Um, yeah, the game Yeah, that game The '81 season, yeah Yeah, '81 season Yeah the game in '82.

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So yeah, so let's dive into part two of, of this series and, you know, h- head to 1986.

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Um, wow.

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Uh, this one, this one was, uh, was quite the gut punch, but let's talk about- Mm-hmm '86 in general.

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Uh-huh.

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Uh, the Jets lost their, uh, last five regular season games, still got into the playoffs as a wild card.

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So let's just start there.

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What did that stretch feel like as a fan? Relief that they got in, or like, "Oh, God, what are we even doing here?" Yeah, I mean, a 10 and one start for this team is just impossible to com- compute as a Jets fan.

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That doesn't work.

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There was also an amazing game in there, 51-45 over Miami, the overtime game with- uh, Wesley Walker.

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Okay.

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I think four touchdowns, my guy.

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So- Ah uh, spectacular.

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Then the five straight losses.

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Uh, lots of injuries during that period of time.

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Klecko, Gastineau, Lance Mehl, who we talked a little bit about last time- Yeah were all out leading up to- Yeah the wild card game.

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Yeah.

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This is pretty fun.

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I saw this in, in looking up at the, uh, the first game afterwards.

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Dan Alexander, who was a guard maybe 12 years with the Jets, just a really good player, he's in his 10th year at that point, so here's what he said, uh, going into the wild card game.

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The losing streak brought everyone in the nation down on us except my mother.

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Fantastic.

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And that pretty much sets the stage for the, the wild card game.

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Yeah, they demolished the Chiefs- Yeah, they did 35 to 15.

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So did that game feel like a turning point? So the big, the big thing there was quarterback switch.

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Yes it...

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Yeah, yeah Uh, so Joe Walton, the head coach, makes a decision, um, you know, rightly after, you know, all things going in the wrong direction with five straight losses to Pat Ryan.

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In that game, you know, three touchdowns, short passes, no picks, just exactly what you would want in a backup quarterback in that moment.

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And going into that game, you know, I have zero expectations of course.

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Happy to have a game but, you know, not expecting it to end up in a win, let alone- Yeah a comfortable non-anxiety inducing win.

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Um, so to put a bow on that wild card game, Fr- solid game from Freeman McNeil, Mark Gastineau returns who had been injured throughout the, uh, the season, including the last five games.

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35 to 15, again, pretty comfortable and that just leads us to- What was that like? Comfortable- Yeah, you know, as I said, this, you know, that season was just two different seasons, so we were ready to write the year off.

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So you, you feel as though you're playing with house's money at that point to get a game that comes out of nowhere and to all of a sudden walk into a, a divisional championship game doesn't- Right.

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So then- doesn't matter who the com- doesn't matter who you're playing against.

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Great.

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That's great and bring it on.

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Great.

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So then we, we do head to that divisional round, Cleveland, their first, uh, chance at a, at a playoff win since 1969, so super hungry franchise.

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Um, you know, Freeman McNeil at some point punches it in, Jets go up 20 to 10.

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Take me back to right there.

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Oh j- 20 to 10 J- how does a Jets fan- And I, and I, and I- feel watching that lead build on the road? Let me just say that for anybody that, whether they have skin in the game as a Jets fan or just as an NFL fan, you can watch this game in its entirety, which I did, and it is just a Classic playoff football game.

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Every cliche you could possibly imagine.

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Um, f- lots of fun by the way with Don Criqui and Bob Trumpy on NBC doing the game.

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Yeah, no, I watch.

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I do my homework.

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So it was, it was great.

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You sent me the link.

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But, but to answer your question, uh, going to 2010, at that point you're just thinking how can the clock get to zero? At 2010, and at this point Kenny O'Brien is now back in the game.

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Pat Ryan, uh- Right injured himself earlier in the game, so now we're back to our starter.

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And You're excited, but now you get into just- Well, let, let's talk about it one moment after another from that point on.

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One moment after...

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Well, not right.

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And maybe, maybe a moment that we need to, I, unfortunately touch on is, is, is Mark Gastineau roughing the passer, extends a Brown drive that, eventually ties it.

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Memories of that moment and- So it's a, uh- Did you know right away that this was over? But when you watch the, uh, you know, that play, that was a, a, a roughing the quarterback.

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It was a clear late hit.

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Mark Gastineau would tell you the same thing.

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It wasn't one of those just, you know, blips.

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It was- Right at least two beats afterwards.

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Thank God, by the way.

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That was on, that was on third down, so, you know, of course, killer penalty.

369
00:29:55,551.996 --> 00:29:55,611.996
Yeah.

370
00:29:55,711.996 --> 00:29:57,941.995
And then keep going, a little bit what happens next.

371
00:29:57,961.996 --> 00:30:01,601.993
They actually get to, um, a third and 10.

372
00:30:02,51.996 --> 00:30:08,41.997
Cleveland gets about nine and something yards on third down, and there's another moment.

373
00:30:08,101.995 --> 00:30:14,961.994
There's this monster measurement where Joe Walton is going ballistic on the sidelines as they spot the ball.

374
00:30:15,511.991 --> 00:30:19,991.993
It is ruled a first down, and so that happens.

375
00:30:19,991.994 --> 00:30:25,441.992
Yes, and, and that happened back before it was, oh, fourth and inches.

376
00:30:25,441.992 --> 00:30:26,281.994
Okay, good.

377
00:30:26,281.995 --> 00:30:26,851.992
First down.

378
00:30:27,151.991 --> 00:30:38,31.994
And we should also say, if you're watching this game, uh, which I had not remembered, I don't know if you did, but 1986 was the debut of limited instant replay.

379
00:30:38,271.993 --> 00:30:46,861.996
So scoring plays and turnovers were reviewed, which, um, happened earlier with a fumble that they actually got right, but this was new territory.

380
00:30:46,931.997 --> 00:30:53,521.993
You know, so in terms of a replay, which I just had, had not remembered, and this was the beginning of everything that we've seen since then.

381
00:30:54,491.994 --> 00:30:54,501.994
Hmm.

382
00:30:54,501.997 --> 00:31:04,851.991
Anyway, we go back to the Jets, and they're in sort of prevent D mode, and I have a little smiley face here because it really did look like it was preventing us from winning the game.

383
00:31:04,861.99 --> 00:31:05,511.995
Mm-hmm.

384
00:31:05,511.995 --> 00:31:07,541.992
Cleveland was moving the ball pretty easily.

385
00:31:07,621.992 --> 00:31:10,831.997
Four or five plays, Kevin Mack, you know, solid player.

386
00:31:10,831.998 --> 00:31:16,601.991
I'm sure Cleveland Browns fans remember generally Kevin Mack- Yeah very well and with, you know, good thoughts.

387
00:31:16,611.997 --> 00:31:18,411.986
Scores an easy one-yard touchdown.

388
00:31:18,631.986 --> 00:31:18,731.986
Yep.

389
00:31:18,802 --> 00:31:24,131.996
It's 20 to 17 What happens next, which I had not remembered, onside kick.

390
00:31:24,981.996 --> 00:31:26,981.996
No problem, we get the ball.

391
00:31:27,21.996 --> 00:31:40,161.995
Marion Barber, who was a special teams ace- Mm just ca- just gets it, one hop, goes straight down, and here's Bob Trumpy right there, fans are hoping against hope- that something strange happens.

392
00:31:40,961.996 --> 00:31:48,61.995
Now, as a Jet fan, that is the last thing that you kind of want to hear, but it's on, you know, on brand for sort of- going through the whole experience.

393
00:31:48,771.995 --> 00:31:53,701.997
Yeah, yeah, y- we, we don't need announcers putting bad juju out there.

394
00:31:53,811.994 --> 00:31:55,921.996
All right, so, you know, if you just kind of...

395
00:31:55,921.996 --> 00:31:58,551.994
Now you're getting into, the last two minutes.

396
00:31:58,551.994 --> 00:32:00,111.994
Here's another crazy play.

397
00:32:00,661.992 --> 00:32:08,331.996
Third and 10, there is, we go kind of run, run, and then in, then a conservative quarterback draw that goes nowhere.

398
00:32:08,621.995 --> 00:32:16,741.996
It's technically a sack because it's behind the line of scrimmage, and at that point, any sack in the last two minutes, the clock stops.

399
00:32:16,831.994 --> 00:32:18,21.995
So the ball was reset.

400
00:32:18,31.995 --> 00:32:18,51.995
Wow.

401
00:32:18,331.994 --> 00:32:22,611.994
So there's- Huh another thing in terms of time not really working in- the Jets' favor.

402
00:32:22,611.994 --> 00:32:23,721.995
Oh, what a bad rule.

403
00:32:23,801.995 --> 00:32:31,121.989
Uh, continuing on, Cleveland, we do a great punt, goes down to the Browns six.

404
00:32:31,131.989 --> 00:32:33,691.989
I think it's a 1:08 at that point, but no.

405
00:32:34,381.989 --> 00:32:35,871.993
10-yard holding penalty.

406
00:32:35,881.989 --> 00:32:35,891.989
Oh.

407
00:32:36,481.995 --> 00:32:43,251.99
Marion Barber this time, the same player, so they have to re-kick, and now it's all the way out to the 32, 53 seconds left.

408
00:32:44,315.994 --> 00:32:45,145.994
So here we go.

409
00:32:46,125.994 --> 00:32:47,55.994
53 seconds left.

410
00:32:47,205.994 --> 00:32:50,665.994
Um, the first play was an easy pass interference.

411
00:32:50,945.994 --> 00:32:59,395.994
Um, the second play, an absolute, um, dime to, uh, Webster Slaughter, who had a, a great career for, for Cleveland.

412
00:32:59,535.994 --> 00:32:59,775.994
Yeah.

413
00:32:59,775.994 --> 00:33:05,535.995
By the way, we'll get to Bernie Kosar's stats later, but Bernie Kosar threw the ball all over the, all over the field in that game.

414
00:33:05,545.994 --> 00:33:05,915.994
Yeah.

415
00:33:05,915.995 --> 00:33:06,645.994
Generally really, really well.

416
00:33:06,645.994 --> 00:33:10,775.995
We would call this the drive, except that- that was really the next game.

417
00:33:10,795.996 --> 00:33:11,295.996
Correct.

418
00:33:11,355.993 --> 00:33:16,415.996
Um, so that goes to the five, anyway, we get to 15 seconds left.

419
00:33:16,675.994 --> 00:33:19,895.994
There's an under throw, an almost interception.

420
00:33:19,895.995 --> 00:33:26,185.995
This is an absolute moment, a dive up in the air, off of the fingertips would've been a great play, but, but no.

421
00:33:26,665.992 --> 00:33:29,935.997
Uh, they decide to kick it on second down for a short field goal.

422
00:33:29,935.997 --> 00:33:30,875.993
No problem there.

423
00:33:31,135.993 --> 00:33:33,435.996
Overtime, 20-20.

424
00:33:33,435.996 --> 00:33:34,405.993
First overtime.

425
00:33:34,445.99 --> 00:33:36,915.99
First overtime, 20-20.

426
00:33:36,955.993 --> 00:33:37,445.993
Yes.

427
00:33:38,205.993 --> 00:33:44,455.995
Do, yeah, do you wanna ask or you want me to keep going a little bit? Uh, I think, you know, I, I, you can keep going.

428
00:33:44,515.995 --> 00:33:47,925.995
I, I don't know how you survive into a second overtime.

429
00:33:47,925.995 --> 00:33:55,675.994
They're quite rare in the NFL, especially back then when you didn't have the, uh, you get a field goal, I can get a field goal rule.

430
00:33:55,685.994 --> 00:33:57,5.995
So it's sudden death at this point.

431
00:33:57,285.995 --> 00:33:57,645.995
It's sudden death.

432
00:33:57,685.995 --> 00:34:00,995.994
And guess who wins the coin toss? The New York Jets win the coin toss.

433
00:34:01,5.994 --> 00:34:01,755.994
Fantastic.

434
00:34:01,795.995 --> 00:34:02,395.995
Right.

435
00:34:02,475.995 --> 00:34:07,335.994
Uh- Used to be a big advantage yeah, get it to the 34, the drive kind of stalls.

436
00:34:07,425.995 --> 00:34:10,935.992
Cleveland gets the ball back and gets it all the way down.

437
00:34:10,985.996 --> 00:34:16,575.993
A beautiful throw to, uh, to Reggie Langhorne from Kosar, about 35 yards.

438
00:34:16,635.994 --> 00:34:18,145.993
And here's Mark Moseley again.

439
00:34:18,875.995 --> 00:34:20,855.993
Chip shot, 23-yard field goal.

440
00:34:20,905.994 --> 00:34:21,355.994
Miss.

441
00:34:21,435.993 --> 00:34:22,435.993
Pushes it to the right.

442
00:34:22,975.994 --> 00:34:23,775.993
Wide right.

443
00:34:24,505.993 --> 00:34:26,765.994
Again, the football gods right there.

444
00:34:26,775.993 --> 00:34:27,565.995
You're thinking, "Wow."

445
00:34:27,565.995 --> 00:34:28,675.994
That, yeah, that's it.

446
00:34:28,675.994 --> 00:34:30,575.994
That, that- Now, now we have it.

447
00:34:30,575.994 --> 00:34:31,335.993
Yeah, now right.

448
00:34:31,335.994 --> 00:34:31,835.992
That, that's it.

449
00:34:31,845.993 --> 00:34:32,95.993
Right.

450
00:34:32,95.993 --> 00:34:36,605.995
You know, a lot of things have gone right- Right but that was the thing that went the most right.

451
00:34:37,445.995 --> 00:34:42,95.995
Jets get the ball, there was definitely a missed face mask penalty on Freeman McNeil.

452
00:34:42,225.993 --> 00:34:42,515.993
Mm.

453
00:34:42,525.996 --> 00:34:48,335.994
But that wouldn't have been something, and still even the rules today is they're still kind of working on whether they wanna go back to that.

454
00:34:48,335.994 --> 00:34:48,605.994
Yeah, that's not, yeah.

455
00:34:48,645.994 --> 00:34:49,425.998
Not quite a thing.

456
00:34:49,975.993 --> 00:34:53,45.996
And then you just get to, you know, what was obviously gonna happen.

457
00:34:53,45.996 --> 00:34:58,165.993
Cleveland gets the ball, break a few runs against an understandably exhausted Jets defense.

458
00:34:58,256 --> 00:35:02,185.993
Mark Moseley gets redemption, 27 yards, ballgame, 23-20.

459
00:35:03,181.998 --> 00:35:10,231.998
And then when something like that happens, and I can tell you where I was, because you might be interested- Yeah, this is of course where all this goes.

460
00:35:10,241.998 --> 00:35:17,431.998
Where were you and what'd you do? So once again, uh, this was over the holidays, so I was actually upstate with family.

461
00:35:17,491.998 --> 00:35:17,741.998
Right.

462
00:35:17,741.998 --> 00:35:19,111.998
This was the, this was the early game.

463
00:35:19,111.998 --> 00:35:21,51.997
This was the 12:30 Saturday game.

464
00:35:21,401.997 --> 00:35:28,211.996
So I excused myself- went upstairs, and I can't remember exactly which book I grabbed.

465
00:35:28,561.997 --> 00:35:33,951.996
And I politely said no to the dinner and moved on- Yeah, I was at that dinner until Mon- until Sunday.

466
00:35:33,951.996 --> 00:35:37,61.994
I was at that dinner, but we, we, we trudged on without you.

467
00:35:38,981.995 --> 00:35:39,911.997
That I don't recall.

468
00:35:39,931.996 --> 00:35:40,991.994
Oh yeah, it's true.

469
00:35:41,221.993 --> 00:35:43,491.996
But amazing.

470
00:35:43,521.996 --> 00:35:44,631.994
But didn't blame you.

471
00:35:44,631.997 --> 00:35:46,861.994
I was like, "No, no, no, he needs, he needs his space."

472
00:35:47,231.995 --> 00:35:57,271.995
I guess, yeah, so just, I mean, I don't know what other bow you can put on that turd if you're you, perhaps the, uh, the crosstown rivals winning that year.

473
00:35:57,271.995 --> 00:36:03,781.993
Or would, did, did it just not even matter? Oh, you know- 'Cause that is, that is, uh, the first- Yeah Super Bowl for my Giants.

474
00:36:03,781.993 --> 00:36:06,341.998
Oh my God, you had all of those moments afterwards.

475
00:36:06,411.996 --> 00:36:12,451.997
Yeah, no, that's not where my, my- and I just, honestly, what I was thinking about when I was, after watching this game, was Cleveland.

476
00:36:12,791.999 --> 00:36:30,721.992
You know, Bernie Kosar, his stats from that game, 33 for 64, 489 yards, which was became an NFL playoff record at that point, until Tom Brady throws for 505 and Big Ben was second with 501 against Cleveland.

477
00:36:30,801.993 --> 00:36:34,1.998
So that is just exactly like being a Jets fan.

478
00:36:34,241.995 --> 00:36:37,891.991
So I'm very simpatico when it comes to the Cleveland Browns franchise.

479
00:36:37,891.997 --> 00:36:46,111.997
I was gonna say, if it makes you feel any better, which it doesn't, but, but it's something, they're, continually in the same boat as you.

480
00:36:46,231.993 --> 00:36:56,762.003
You know, I think these two fan bases, and I would love to find a, you know, there's so many great Cleveland Browns fans, just to hang out over a cold one, talk playoff football- go back and forth.

481
00:36:56,772.001 --> 00:36:58,312.003
It would probably go for two or three hours.

482
00:36:58,312.003 --> 00:37:00,482.001
It would be amazing for both of us.

483
00:37:00,492.003 --> 00:37:03,442.002
So if you're a Cleveland Browns fan- Right I'm happy to chat.

484
00:37:03,442.002 --> 00:37:03,832
Yeah.

485
00:37:03,832 --> 00:37:07,232.001
Send us, send us, uh, your contact information.

486
00:37:08,479.999 --> 00:37:15,299.999
Okay, so that ends part two- Yeah of, uh, the Jets', um, walkthrough.

487
00:37:15,749.999 --> 00:37:26,179.998
Fear not, fans, there is more to come, in this multi-part series as we explore Peter's, steadfast fandom for, for the Jets.

488
00:37:26,179.999 --> 00:37:28,749.998
They don't deserve him, but, here he sits.

489
00:37:28,909.999 --> 00:37:31,263.9982
I was gonna say stands, but we're sharing this mic today.

490
00:37:31,263.9982 --> 00:37:31,291.9986
He sits.

491
00:37:31,291.9986 --> 00:37:31,389.999
He sits today.

492
00:37:31,439.998 --> 00:37:31,469.998
Yep.

493
00:37:31,469.998 --> 00:37:34,699.997
Here he sits, more, fun and games on the horizon.

494
00:37:34,709.998 --> 00:37:36,229.998
100%.

495
00:37:36,229.998 --> 00:37:36,609.995
100%.

496
00:37:36,609.995 --> 00:37:48,369.997
Well, we touched on it before, but let's get into a little bit, uh, in detail and lightning for LeBron So LeBron James makes the decision yesterday, uh, to go to Philly.

497
00:37:48,649.997 --> 00:37:55,649.997
Of course, Philly has a 43-year title drought, and that's a little bit of something as we get into kind of the details as to what happened here.

498
00:37:55,699.997 --> 00:37:55,999.997
Yeah.

499
00:37:56,89.997 --> 00:37:58,899.996
Clearly he talked very much about winning.

500
00:37:58,909.996 --> 00:38:05,159.996
Ch- um, he didn't, you know, technically mention a fifth ring, but I think that's definitely fair, um, to go after a fifth ring.

501
00:38:05,649.996 --> 00:38:07,999.997
Listen- I thought he was gonna get five in Miami.

502
00:38:08,279.997 --> 00:38:14,549.997
The, uh, Mi- They all said it A- Not one a perfect- Not two a perfectly good option Not three.

503
00:38:14,559.996 --> 00:38:16,929.997
Do you remember that? I do.

504
00:38:16,979.995 --> 00:38:17,299.995
I do.

505
00:38:17,309.996 --> 00:38:17,329.996
Yeah.

506
00:38:17,339.995 --> 00:38:17,649.995
Okay.

507
00:38:17,729.995 --> 00:38:18,119.997
I do.

508
00:38:18,129.996 --> 00:38:18,219.996
Sorry.

509
00:38:18,219.996 --> 00:38:18,669.995
Let's keep going.

510
00:38:18,809.996 --> 00:38:25,909.996
The- My bad but the, it's the relationships I think, again, when you think of that, were maybe kind of what helped him get to this point.

511
00:38:26,319.995 --> 00:38:34,129.997
You know, um, Tyrese Maxey has been a, a workout buddy in LA for the last couple of years.

512
00:38:34,529.998 --> 00:38:42,829.997
He, um, Klutch Sports in general, uh, Rich, uh, Nick Nurse is actually also represented by Klutch Sports.

513
00:38:43,159.995 --> 00:38:51,399.996
Um, you know, Bob Myers goes on the Rich Paul podcast and basically tells LeBron, "If you're listening, this is your best choice to win."

514
00:38:51,939.994 --> 00:38:52,879.995
That's fair.

515
00:38:53,19.995 --> 00:38:55,879.995
Listen, this team, this team is stacked.

516
00:38:55,909.994 --> 00:39:06,309.993
You know, this starting five of Tyrese Maxey- Yeah BJ Edgecombe- Yeah Jaylen Brown, let's not forget that that happened, Joel Embiid, uh, and LeBron.

517
00:39:06,639.99 --> 00:39:14,769.989
So, uh, I will say as we kind of think about the Knicks side of all of this business- Yep it's great to be the hunted.

518
00:39:15,369.993 --> 00:39:16,189.99
That's the thing.

519
00:39:16,219.992 --> 00:39:16,969.996
I know.

520
00:39:16,979.994 --> 00:39:20,49.996
We are the hunted because we did just win the championship.

521
00:39:20,289.991 --> 00:39:37,359.989
How amazing would it be both for the NBA and for these two franchises to re-tee it up in a rematch, all that? But do you know that the stats for the Sixers to win the title now match the Knicks? You know, you can look up different books and different, different things.

522
00:39:37,939.991 --> 00:39:38,239.991
Yeah.

523
00:39:38,249.989 --> 00:39:48,629.993
But, but, I mean, roughly, uh, they were about 20 to 1, and now they're 9 to 1, which is where our Knickerbockers are, um, in one, well, two fell swoops.

524
00:39:48,929.982 --> 00:39:49,365.9902
You know? Yeah.

525
00:39:49,365.9902 --> 00:39:52,899.988
No, it's, it's- With Jaylen Brown and then- It's, it's- and then the King it's 1 and 1A.

526
00:39:53,279.988 --> 00:39:59,59.995
But I mean, the Sixers, I- I also really don't like that city.

527
00:39:59,199.985 --> 00:40:00,119.986
Um- Yeah, you touched on that earlier.

528
00:40:00,189.99 --> 00:40:00,709.99
Yeah.

529
00:40:00,719.989 --> 00:40:03,239.986
Just let's ch- very briefly.

530
00:40:03,399.982 --> 00:40:03,429.982
Okay.

531
00:40:03,649.982 --> 00:40:05,299.988
Uh, Rangers, Flyers.

532
00:40:05,309.986 --> 00:40:05,339.986
Yes.

533
00:40:05,399.982 --> 00:40:32,67.991
The, the Flyers, some of the, some of the bulliest, bloodiest players that have ever donned skates, Dave Schultz, Rick Tocchet, and Ron Hextall, who used his- Uh-huh goalie stick as a, uh, hatchet Then, um, moving on to our, our baseball friends, the Phillies taking, uh, Lenny Dykstra, taking Zach Wheeler, just generally dislike those guys.

534
00:40:32,77.99 --> 00:40:32,97.99
Wow.

535
00:40:32,307.991 --> 00:40:34,657.99
Um, yeah, not, not a fan.

536
00:40:34,677.991 --> 00:40:36,717.991
And then Eagles, ugh.

537
00:40:36,977.991 --> 00:40:37,997.99
Well, that goes without saying.

538
00:40:38,17.99 --> 00:40:38,677.99
Eagles, right.

539
00:40:38,677.99 --> 00:40:45,907.99
They're as bad as it gets if you're a Giants fan, then never, we never forget about the Miracle in the Meadowlands of '78.

540
00:40:46,517.989 --> 00:40:51,997.989
Um, and also just going to Giants-Eagles games rather at, at the Meadowlands.

541
00:40:52,7.99 --> 00:40:52,37.99
Mm-hmm.

542
00:40:52,47.991 --> 00:40:56,967.992
I mean, for sure winning the award of, of most annoying, uh- I get it away fans.

543
00:40:57,7.99 --> 00:40:57,137.991
I get it.

544
00:40:57,327.99 --> 00:40:57,837.99
Eagles.

545
00:40:57,987.989 --> 00:41:01,927.991
The Sixers were kind of like the one team I could tolerate.

546
00:41:01,947.989 --> 00:41:02,427.989
Dr.

547
00:41:02,437.99 --> 00:41:04,167.991
J, Andrew Toney.

548
00:41:04,177.988 --> 00:41:04,307.988
Ooh.

549
00:41:04,677.988 --> 00:41:06,437.991
Like, like I was like, "They're fine.

550
00:41:06,437.991 --> 00:41:07,307.991
They're harmless.

551
00:41:07,307.991 --> 00:41:08,467.989
They don't do anything.

552
00:41:08,477.991 --> 00:41:10,207.989
I don't mi- Nah, game on.

553
00:41:10,507.99 --> 00:41:11,57.989
Here we go.

554
00:41:11,747.992 --> 00:41:20,37.989
This could be such a wonderful rivalry, a legit rivalry now.

555
00:41:20,217.989 --> 00:41:21,617.99
Uh, so let's see what happens.

556
00:41:21,617.99 --> 00:41:28,695.993
And, uh, um, guess what? Hey, Joel We're still gonna come to your house.

557
00:41:29,225.993 --> 00:41:29,415.993
Okay.

558
00:41:29,445.993 --> 00:41:33,25.993
And we're still gonna be the majority of fans in there.

559
00:41:33,35.993 --> 00:41:34,965.993
So, uh- Yeah saddle up, big boy.

560
00:41:35,455.993 --> 00:41:42,545.993
I, you know, and I will say on Joel Embiid, LeBron James is the best thing that could have possibly happened to Joel Embiid.

561
00:41:43,175.992 --> 00:42:00,285.992
You know, for a guy putting sort of the injury stuff on the side and that he's had to deal with, just in terms of leadership, mentor, having that older basketball IQ, is only gonna be the best possible thing for Joel Embiid.

562
00:42:00,285.995 --> 00:42:02,415.993
And we sh- and we shall see what happens on Health Wise.

563
00:42:02,415.993 --> 00:42:04,915.993
And maybe he'll give him a little conditioning routine as well.

564
00:42:05,85.993 --> 00:42:06,245.991
Oh, my God, 100%.

565
00:42:07,25.992 --> 00:42:07,575.994
All right.

566
00:42:07,645.991 --> 00:42:12,215.992
So we will move from LeBron to our PS, But here we're gonna do mini golf.

567
00:42:12,315.99 --> 00:42:12,615.99
Okay.

568
00:42:12,615.99 --> 00:42:12,825.992
Okay.

569
00:42:12,825.992 --> 00:42:21,405.99
So I, I, I thought maybe it would be fun to actually talk a little mini golf and say what makes a great experience, whether it's a great course, any pet peeves.

570
00:42:21,765.991 --> 00:42:28,905.987
Where do you wanna start on summer mini golf? I, first of all, I told you when you sent the topic- Yeah I lo- a great PS topic.

571
00:42:29,925.987 --> 00:42:39,65.987
Mini golf for the Greenhut family- Mm-hmm I do not have the most competitive sports family- Right both with kids and wife.

572
00:42:39,675.981 --> 00:42:42,725.983
Whole thing changes once we get to the mini golf course.

573
00:42:42,735.986 --> 00:42:46,95.987
Every single person there believes that they should win.

574
00:42:46,215.982 --> 00:42:46,525.982
Oh.

575
00:42:46,655.984 --> 00:42:49,235.983
And it gets, it gets a little feisty.

576
00:42:49,355.981 --> 00:42:52,725.979
Are you using a scorecard? Yeah, we use the scorecard down...

577
00:42:52,745.981 --> 00:42:53,815.977
it gets competitive.

578
00:42:53,835.977 --> 00:42:55,155.979
There's active heckling.

579
00:42:55,155.979 --> 00:42:56,945.976
There's accusations of cheating.

580
00:42:56,945.978 --> 00:42:59,525.982
You know, you move the ball a little bit too far.

581
00:43:00,225.977 --> 00:43:11,85.985
Um- Yikes so, so it's, for us, like, this, this is our gauntlet, you know? The other thing I'd say that, that's great about mini golf, we love the split path hole.

582
00:43:11,305.983 --> 00:43:12,80.9795
So when you- Mm-hmm.

583
00:43:12,80.9795 --> 00:43:22,755.976
Mm-hmm can either go one way, which maybe is a little easier, but it's gonna take a couple, couple more strokes most likely, or you go for the glory and go the other way.

584
00:43:23,391.984 --> 00:43:26,621.984
That's, uh, that's, that's always our- No, that's fair our, that's one of our favorite holes.

585
00:43:26,681.984 --> 00:43:27,251.984
That's fair.

586
00:43:27,291.984 --> 00:43:40,931.984
Um- What about you, Gavin? Yeah, well first of all, on the family side of things, I would say for the handful of times that we've done it as a family, maybe it's 50/50 if we've come out of that experience all feeling good about it- you know, versus it just being, you know, a little bit too stressful.

587
00:43:40,961.984 --> 00:43:43,81.983
But- Yeah anyway, it was always a good effort.

588
00:43:43,91.983 --> 00:43:43,271.983
Yeah.

589
00:43:43,561.984 --> 00:43:53,671.982
In terms of the likes of mini golf, for me, it's generally outdoors, it's under the lights if there's nearby local ice cream, fantastic.

590
00:43:53,711.984 --> 00:43:53,991.984
Right.

591
00:43:54,31.983 --> 00:44:04,721.983
Uh, in terms of the actual course, I really do enjoy a good working windmill, or at least a similar timing risk-reward impediment, kind of just that thing right in the middle.

592
00:44:04,721.983 --> 00:44:13,601.983
I feel as though- Yeah that, uh, mini golf owners aren't as, um, focused on that these days, but, uh, that's just- Yeah that's one thing.

593
00:44:13,601.983 --> 00:44:14,61.984
Yeah, I like that windmill.

594
00:44:14,61.984 --> 00:44:15,901.987
I also enjoy multi-level holes.

595
00:44:15,911.984 --> 00:44:17,131.983
You talked about split holes.

596
00:44:17,161.984 --> 00:44:21,141.985
Yeah, the multi-level holes I have mixed feelings on- Okay and I'll tell you why.

597
00:44:21,581.983 --> 00:44:29,931.975
I feel like, most, most golfers, can, can kinda get it into hole number one, most of the time.

598
00:44:29,931.975 --> 00:44:32,741.978
I mean, not every time, but just let, let's assume that happens.

599
00:44:32,741.979 --> 00:44:33,41.979
Yeah.

600
00:44:33,321.973 --> 00:44:39,571.976
Then you're kinda looking at pot luck for whether that thing rolls into the, to the second hole or not.

601
00:44:39,631.978 --> 00:44:47,451.975
And I don't know, it's like, yeah, you can kinda get a hole in one that way, but it's, it's, it's not really the skill that we're looking for.

602
00:44:47,461.972 --> 00:44:48,321.973
It's- Okay, that's fair.

603
00:44:48,431.973 --> 00:44:50,91.973
That's fair adds a little randomness to it.

604
00:44:50,101.979 --> 00:44:55,801.974
I will, uh, I will add that of course I enjoy creative or themed courses.

605
00:44:55,831.975 --> 00:44:57,251.978
Those can be really good.

606
00:44:57,391.973 --> 00:44:57,601.973
Yeah.

607
00:44:57,651.975 --> 00:45:12,941.974
Um, in terms of the pet peeve side of things, on a particular hole- Uh-huh the sloped sort of anthill holes, you know, where you have kind of just the, that big hill where you have to hit it r- pretty fast, and if you don't hit it, it either goes back down or right across the other side.

608
00:45:13,71.973 --> 00:45:13,371.973
Yeah.

609
00:45:13,521.973 --> 00:45:15,571.973
I've never been a fan of that one.

610
00:45:15,581.975 --> 00:45:15,601.975
Yeah.

611
00:45:15,621.976 --> 00:45:18,581.977
Uh, that specific, but that's, that's one that's in my head.

612
00:45:18,631.978 --> 00:45:18,991.978
Yeah.

613
00:45:19,31.972 --> 00:45:20,151.978
And also just sand.

614
00:45:20,181.981 --> 00:45:23,741.973
I don't really need kind of, sort of sand traps on either side.

615
00:45:24,221.974 --> 00:45:27,861.981
You know, just there's, have the impediments be on the course itself.

616
00:45:27,861.981 --> 00:45:34,11.976
What are you gonna do? Actually go grab a, a, you know, a pitching wedge or something and- and chip out rather than just re-tee it from the beginning? Yeah.

617
00:45:34,11.976 --> 00:45:35,251.976
So I don't, I don't do sand.

618
00:45:35,251.976 --> 00:45:38,831.974
Here's, you ready? Here's my, my biggest pet peeve- Yeah for mini golf.

619
00:45:39,351.979 --> 00:45:40,491.973
Really simple.

620
00:45:40,761.968 --> 00:45:44,681.96
You're playing behind, a group who thinks they're at the Masters.

621
00:45:45,71.964 --> 00:45:45,321.964
Oh.

622
00:45:45,331.959 --> 00:45:46,961.955
Lining up every shot.

623
00:45:47,983.965 --> 00:45:49,153.965
There's no gimmes.

624
00:45:49,213.965 --> 00:45:52,403.965
They don't just call it a- But you guys are pretty competitive, so it must be a battle with you.

625
00:45:52,403.965 --> 00:45:53,443.965
Yeah, but we move.

626
00:45:53,443.965 --> 00:45:54,23.965
We move.

627
00:45:54,43.965 --> 00:45:54,823.965
That's not us.

628
00:45:54,913.965 --> 00:45:55,13.965
Okay.

629
00:45:55,23.965 --> 00:46:01,483.965
We mo- we, we move with pace, you know? Sometimes it, it's like the little kid, you know? The, "Ah, let me hit again.

630
00:46:01,483.965 --> 00:46:02,653.965
Let me hit again."

631
00:46:03,103.965 --> 00:46:05,193.964
And then, like- Wow so he's just whacking around.

632
00:46:05,203.964 --> 00:46:05,223.964
Wow.

633
00:46:05,233.965 --> 00:46:06,933.964
Dad's treating it like the master.

634
00:46:06,943.964 --> 00:46:08,223.964
You're just sitting there.

635
00:46:08,553.965 --> 00:46:09,963.965
You just wanna go.

636
00:46:10,133.964 --> 00:46:12,363.965
And you don't- Can you just go? And you don't ever...

637
00:46:12,373.964 --> 00:46:21,673.966
Is this, like, a curb moment where you try to just have a quick conversation, or how does that play out? Oh, it's so awkward because, like, there's nowhere to fit in, you know- Yeah ahead of them.

638
00:46:21,673.966 --> 00:46:24,963.965
It's just, it's just, it can be tight, so that's one thing.

639
00:46:24,993.965 --> 00:46:29,53.966
I have one final comment- Please slash question on the mini golf thing.

640
00:46:29,523.964 --> 00:46:36,573.966
Thoughts on the inevitable final hole- Oh of the kinda call it clown's nose or whatever.

641
00:46:36,603.966 --> 00:46:37,787.9666
Get, get the free game, the, uh, thing.

642
00:46:37,787.9666 --> 00:46:38,643.965
You get the free game.

643
00:46:38,643.967 --> 00:46:41,643.967
They do it so they can take your golf ball.

644
00:46:41,723.965 --> 00:46:41,983.965
Right.

645
00:46:42,13.966 --> 00:46:44,43.965
Um, I have thoughts.

646
00:46:44,373.966 --> 00:46:49,543.968
If you're playing a competitive game of, of mini golf, here are your score options on that hole.

647
00:46:49,693.966 --> 00:46:49,933.966
Oh.

648
00:46:49,973.964 --> 00:46:50,943.964
You ready? Yeah.

649
00:46:51,53.966 --> 00:46:54,43.97
You can get a one if you get it in the nose.

650
00:46:54,293.964 --> 00:46:54,623.964
Okay.

651
00:46:54,943.966 --> 00:46:59,753.968
Or you can get a two because you don't get it in the nose and they eat your ball.

652
00:47:00,673.969 --> 00:47:07,843.964
So has that scoring actually impacted any of your family rounds? Yes, you can't make moves on the final hole.

653
00:47:07,873.966 --> 00:47:08,903.967
It's ridiculous.

654
00:47:08,903.967 --> 00:47:09,943.967
I know why they do it.

655
00:47:10,233.967 --> 00:47:17,493.969
They're worried you're gonna take the ball and go for another round of mini golf, but let me tell you, people that do that, they enjoy the sport a little too much.

656
00:47:17,503.963 --> 00:47:18,553.968
It's time to wrap it up.

657
00:47:18,773.967 --> 00:47:22,63.967
Hand your ball in like a, like a mensch and, call it a day.

658
00:47:22,63.968 --> 00:47:23,273.967
Yeah, we're on the same page there.

659
00:47:23,273.967 --> 00:47:24,333.972
I've never particularly...

660
00:47:24,353.969 --> 00:47:28,435.973
At that point, generally, I'm pretty much, you know, good with the round, so again, I am looking forward to the local ice cream at that point.

661
00:47:28,475.975 --> 00:47:29,555.976
We're ready for the slushy.

662
00:47:29,555.976 --> 00:47:29,825.976
Yeah.

663
00:47:29,825.976 --> 00:47:33,215.976
Let's call it a day.

664
00:47:33,455.978 --> 00:47:33,795.974
All right.

665
00:47:33,955.978 --> 00:47:35,275.976
No, that, that, that, that's fair.

666
00:47:35,275.978 --> 00:47:35,995.974
We, we agree.

667
00:47:36,375.977 --> 00:47:36,985.977
Okay.

668
00:47:37,355.98 --> 00:47:40,365.975
And with that, that's it for today.

669
00:47:40,615.974 --> 00:47:41,725.975
Thank you for listening.

670
00:47:42,255.974 --> 00:47:44,695.978
Until the next time, I'm Peter Olczyk.

671
00:47:45,325.974 --> 00:47:46,635.976
And I'm Scott Greenhut.

672
00:47:46,965.973 --> 00:47:58,915.979
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673
00:47:58,925.98 --> 00:47:58,945.98
Yeah.

674
00:47:59,295.975 --> 00:48:03,75.974
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675
00:48:03,305.969 --> 00:48:08,595.972
And until next time, Peter and I are gonna put this episode in the books.